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@feld @pwm @adiz

The open source community is never going to fill this gap. I'd like to be proven wrong, but I've been waiting for 20 years now...

waiting just as long. hasn't happened. the desktop ui for deltachat feels wonky and i'm slowly moving away from handset although arcanechat for 'droid is pretty okay.

what i like about deltachat is i already have a mail system which i use for.. mail. i can still keep encrypted mail separate from delta(openpgp) encrypted messages and it just works. i've handed deltachat to people in this thread, elsewhere on fedi, at the local coffee haus, and to the chick i'm dating who's not technical. so far so good.

i was always an enthusiast of xmpp, but damned if i can't get anyone to talk on it regularly so i use it for a transport bridge for fun, nothing serious.