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Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 21:31:11 JST Pissed Hippo
Wait a minute, Framework, who makes extremely modular computers, soldered RAM on their new laptop? - :ihavenomouth:, pistolero and Johnny Peligro like this.
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 21:33:11 JST 翠星石
@sun It appears they used a SoC that uses on-die HBM.
Sure that HBM is soldered, but it's worse than soldered RAM, as you can't replace it even with a hot air workstation without changing the whole SoC.Pissed Hippo and pistolero like this. -
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Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 21:34:45 JST Pissed Hippo
@Suiseiseki I guess only a problem if you don't max out the ram, which I always do now. pistolero and Johnny Peligro like this. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 21:37:09 JST 翠星石
@sun It seems that the RAM maxes out at 128GB, which is worse than the KGPE-D16 (maxes out at 256GB). pistolero likes this. -
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Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 21:38:04 JST Pissed Hippo
@Suiseiseki Disappointing. I'm not buying one but I was disappointed that my current laptop is maxed at 128GB also. pistolero and Johnny Peligro like this. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 21:39:27 JST 翠星石
@meso @sun All framework does is L's as most of what they sell has handcuffed proprietary malware and the non-handcuffed stuff still relies on proprietary software. pistolero likes this. -
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meso (meso@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 21:39:28 JST meso
@Suiseiseki @sun another framework L pistolero likes this. -
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𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 21:46:59 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙
@Suiseiseki @sun
Imagine using an embedded SoC as basis for a computer and calling yourself the repairable, modular™ brand. Anything a techbro (Linus) would shill can't be taken seriously.Pissed Hippo likes this. -
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篝敦子 (akko@akko.wtf)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 21:47:15 JST 篝敦子
@sun only way to get lpddr i guess Pissed Hippo and Johnny Peligro like this. -
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Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 21:47:50 JST Pissed Hippo
@akko That's fair, as long as they have other less specialized models that let you upgrade the ram Johnny Peligro likes this. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 21:49:18 JST 翠星石
@meso @sun Wait, it seems they sell only *one* board that probably isn't handcuffed; https://frame.work/products/deep-computing-risc-v-mainboard
The JH7110 relies on a huge amount of proprietary software as well.
All the Wi-Fi cards they sell look handcuffed too.
Of course they sell RAM handcuffed with proprietary software (DDR5).
They even sell licenses to use proprietary malware!
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 21:54:38 JST 翠星石
@akko @sun Micron has made socketed LPDDR just fine; https://www.micron.com/products/memory/dram-components/lpddr/lpcamm2 In conversation permalink Attachments
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 21:55:42 JST 翠星石
@sun It's LPDDR5x-8000 https://frame.work/desktop
As it was shilled for (((AI))) I assumed they would likely have gone with HBM.In conversation permalink Attachments
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𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 21:58:51 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙
@meso @Suiseiseki @sun
Any sort of wireless RF proprietary communication scheme is spooky, the worst offenders happen to be WIFI and Bluetooth, because on top of being spooky they're also extremely insecure.In conversation permalink 翠星石 likes this. -
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meso (meso@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 21:58:52 JST meso
@Suiseiseki @sun wifi 6 is spooky In conversation permalink -
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meso (meso@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 21:58:54 JST meso
@Suiseiseki @sun >and for the environment
I dont give two fucks about how my laptop will affect the environment nigga give me something that isnt a spyware ridden piece of shitIn conversation permalink -
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meso (meso@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 21:58:54 JST meso
@Suiseiseki @sun also I hate how these niggas will go for shit like DDR5 and all the newest and greatest shit as if its better rather than worse In conversation permalink -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 22:26:17 JST 翠星石
@fiore @meso @sun Yes, it's not really that hard to port GNU/Linux when GCC supports RISC-V - it's the same thing as supporting a Aarch64 port. In conversation permalink -
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φ (fiore@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 22:26:19 JST φ
@Suiseiseki @meso @sun wait fedora runs on RISC V ??? huh…. interesting
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nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 22:43:03 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:
@fiore @Suiseiseki @meso @sun https://llvm.org/docs/RISCVUsage.html
Appears llvm does in fact support risc-vIn conversation permalink Attachments
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φ (fiore@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 22:43:04 JST φ
@Suiseiseki @meso @sun nice nice , does llvm also support risc v ? like , will most software run on it ? i should get more informed but id love to get a risc v board
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φ (fiore@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 22:46:19 JST φ
@nyanide @Suiseiseki @meso @sun so riscv basically can run most software i might need , right ? is that how it works ? im not very informed on this haha
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nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 22:47:16 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:
@fiore @Suiseiseki @meso @sun I would *really* not count on it for daily usage In conversation permalink -
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nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 22:48:03 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:
@fiore @Suiseiseki @meso @sun I mean you might be able to get away with building most of the software you need but it's probably still kind of experimental. Not a ton of people use risc-v In conversation permalink Johnny Peligro likes this. -
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Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 22:48:12 JST Pissed Hippo
@fiore @Suiseiseki @nyanide @meso riscv is extremely slow. its value proposition is that it is a completely libre chip design, if don't care about that type of thing, it also is just new and interesting. In conversation permalink -
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φ (fiore@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 22:49:49 JST φ
@nyanide @Suiseiseki @meso @sun thats because compiler support is still experimental , right ? or is there something else im missing ?
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φ (fiore@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 22:49:51 JST φ
@sun @Suiseiseki @nyanide @meso but is it slow because the isa is bad or is it slow because nobody is manufacturing good chips yet ?
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Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 22:51:29 JST Pissed Hippo
@fiore @Suiseiseki @nyanide @meso it is slow because it is new and immature, possibly also because it has to avoid known patents. In conversation permalink -
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Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 22:54:43 JST Pissed Hippo
@fiore @Suiseiseki @nyanide @meso if you're not programming in assembler, then it's the same as everything else, you compile stuff with llvm or gcc or whatever compiler installed on your OS In conversation permalink Johnny Peligro likes this. -
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φ (fiore@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 22:54:44 JST φ
@sun @Suiseiseki @nyanide @meso okok makes sense
id like to get a devboard and mess w it but like i dont know shit about cpu design
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Dumb Idiot Retard (idiot@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 22:58:10 JST Dumb Idiot Retard
@sun @fiore @Suiseiseki @meso @nyanide fasmGODS we're so fucking back right now In conversation permalink Pissed Hippo likes this. -
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Dumb Idiot Retard (idiot@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 23:01:29 JST Dumb Idiot Retard
@sun Apparently they asked AMD about the CAMM modules and there were signal integrity issues if you're not soldering the ram to the board. So technically AMD made it like that. It sucks but I get it kinda.
I let my cousin bully me into preordering a 128gb board. We'll see what happens between here and "Q3".In conversation permalink Pissed Hippo and Johnny Peligro like this. -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 23:02:13 JST Johnny Peligro
@sun on their new desktops* In conversation permalink -
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Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 23:02:42 JST Phantasm
@meso @Suiseiseki @sun
>not shipping to half of Europe
>refusing warranty when a forwarding service was used to ship it to a location they don't ship toIn conversation permalink Johnny Peligro likes this. -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 23:02:54 JST Johnny Peligro
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 23:05:20 JST Johnny Peligro
@idiot @sun tbqh that amd soc has a hueg igpu that amd wanted to make similar to the apple silicon one, so that's why they went with the on-soc ram, because that guarantees high speeds In conversation permalink -
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snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 23:06:43 JST snacks
@sun how else to get 250gb/s ram? In conversation permalink Johnny Peligro likes this. -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 23:07:11 JST Johnny Peligro
@idiot @sun I'd still prefer upgradable ram over that, but i can see why it's that way In conversation permalink -
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Dumb Idiot Retard (idiot@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 23:18:01 JST Dumb Idiot Retard
@mischievoustomato @sun I was just interested in it because it's a fat 32 thread CPU and a midrange GPU on one die rated for 120w of tdp. I think they said they specced it for like 400 or 500w of peak power draw, so that's kind of misleading, but it's still highly compelling when I was already looking at dropping $1750ish on individual desktop parts already. A slightly higher price for more threads, the same graphics hutzpah, and way more RAM or VRAM than I was already chalking out? It's worth waiting for the reviews to come out at least. In conversation permalink Johnny Peligro likes this. -
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Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 23:27:45 JST Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
@sun @fiore @Suiseiseki @nyanide @meso So if you're on Windows, you don't compile it it all. :blobfoxgooglytrash: In conversation permalink -
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snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 23:31:09 JST snacks
@sun ok, camm is a thing and could be used. Fuck framework ig In conversation permalink -
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Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 23:36:22 JST Pissed Hippo
@fiore @Suiseiseki @nyanide @meso I got it on alibaba, give me a bit and I'll get you a link In conversation permalink -
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φ (fiore@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 23:36:23 JST φ
@sun @Suiseiseki @nyanide @meso can you point me to somewhere where i can buy risc v boards and chips ?
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Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 23:53:24 JST Pissed Hippo
@jeffcliff @Suiseiseki @fiore @meso @nyanide no idea what the tradeoffs of that are In conversation permalink -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 23:53:25 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
@sun @fiore @Suiseiseki @meso @nyanide isn't it also possible to do massively parallel riscv? In conversation permalink -
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mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 23:57:13 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:
@thatbrickster @sun Soldered will always be faster that is correct but it's so ridiculously small compared to the benefits of being able to upgrade ram.
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mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 23:57:14 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:
@sun Found it, and on a desktop :OMEGALUL: what a fucking joke. In conversation permalink Attachments
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Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 23:57:14 JST Bricky
@mangeurdenuage Already posted. Been suggested slots can't provide the same bandwidth soldered modules can.
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mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 23:57:15 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:
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mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 23:57:15 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:
@sun I just checked their "ai" model https://frame.work/fr/en/products/laptop13-diy-amd-ai300/ and you can literally say "bring your own" so idk on which version of the hardware this is happening on. In conversation permalink Attachments
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Feb-2025 00:04:51 JST Johnny Peligro
@mangeurdenuage @sun @thatbrickster faster and lower power usage too In conversation permalink -
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Dumb Idiot Retard (idiot@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 27-Feb-2025 00:05:39 JST Dumb Idiot Retard
@mangeurdenuage @thatbrickster @sun 128gb is looking like the soft cap for dual channel DDR5 anyway. They might find an innovation to bump it up more between here and DDR6 hitting the mainstream, but if you have that kind of memory today (especially unified as this is,) you're probably futureproofed until at least next gen. I can't imagine how much high speed HBM CAMM modules would cost in a hypothetical upgrade situation either, it would probably approach of exceed the price of just buying the top spec outright in the first place. Plus CAMM-style modules haven't hit market saturation yet, they barely exist as normal speed memory modules. In conversation permalink Johnny Peligro likes this. -
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Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 27-Feb-2025 00:12:21 JST Pissed Hippo
@RedTechEngineer @fiore @Suiseiseki @nyanide @meso the one I have was about 70 bucks I think and works pretty good In conversation permalink -
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RedTechEngineer (redtechengineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link)'s status on Thursday, 27-Feb-2025 00:12:22 JST RedTechEngineer
@fiore @Suiseiseki @nyanide @meso @sun here is basically the best that there is to offer in the RISC-V world in terms of single threaded performance and support https://www.sifive.com/boards/hifive-premier-p550
milk-v has some cheaper boards https://milkv.io/ as little as $10
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Account: Computers (pro@mu.zaitcev.nu)'s status on Thursday, 27-Feb-2025 02:03:57 JST Account: Computers
@sun @fiore @Suiseiseki @nyanide @meso
The speed of modern CPUs that we take for granted comes from these sources:
- a high performance DRAM controller
- a large hierarchical cache
- out-of-order execution
- super-scalar or parallel execution
- a high clock rate
- all of this is underpinned by a small feature size process and a large gate budget
A typical RISC-V aims for a low cost implementation that lacks these elements. Without them, you're basically making a 200 MHz, 5 to 10 pipeline stage CPU. I'm generalizing it a lot, but you're ending with something like MicroSPARC-II or thereabout.
I heard about high performance RISC-V implementations aimed at hyperscalers, but I've never seen one in person.In conversation permalink Pissed Hippo likes this.