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   Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 15:47:40 JST Paul Cantrell

   “Just check out the comments On this Tesla review”

   omg

   https://arstechnica.com/cars/2025/02/tesla-sales-plummet-in-the-uk-france-and-germany/

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 15:52:20 JST Paul Cantrell

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     “Berlin to Warsaw in one charge”

     “model SS coming soon”

     “Putting on the turn signal suggests you are going to take the third right”

     Bill repeated this.
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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 08:57:45 JST Paul Cantrell

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     This is all a good laugh — gallows humor, you know — but I’d venture that it’s also concrete action.

     Elon Musk’s wealth is heavily, heavily tied up in Tesla’s valuation as a company. And Tesla is •wildly• overvalued, just way beyond what the fundamentals would say. A stock like that can crash fast and crash hard under the right circumstances.

     Making Teslas gross, laughable, socially toxic, cringe-inducing? That has positive, concrete real-world effects.

     So yes, keep calling them “Swasticars.”

     Rich Felker repeated this.
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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 09:03:23 JST Paul Cantrell

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     And if you’re one of those people who owns a Tesla and wishes you didn’t?

     Sell it. Sell it now.

     Do whatever it takes to sell it, ••no matter how large a hit•• you have to take to get it to sell. Flood the market with used Teslas that nobody can unload anywhere near purchase price, and just watch what happens to the stock price.

     Oh, so you have one of those “I bought this before…” bumper stickers? Nobody cares; this isn’t about you. Put your money where your mouth is. Sell it at a loss.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 09:07:01 JST Paul Cantrell

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     P.S. I’m going to say that selling your Tesla is far better than symbolically destroying it. Not that anybody’s actually doing that, but: selling it keeps supply up while demand is decreasing, which drives the price of Teslas down, which drives down potential profits (and thus stock valuation) and also drives down resale value (and thus further reduces demand).

     DISCLAIMER: I am not an economist

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     Kim Scheinberg (kims@mas.to)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 09:09:59 JST Kim Scheinberg

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     @inthehands
     Did that ten days ago (Model S) at a 5-figure loss

     It's now a Kia Niro that we at least managed to get a great deal on (plus the better karma)

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 09:11:06 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Kim Scheinberg

     @kims
     Yes. Hero IRL.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 10:06:55 JST Paul Cantrell

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     Reply asking me to work this out a bit:

     Prerequisite assignment: read up on the “law” (phenomenon, really) of supply and demand if you aren’t already versed in it. Then:

     If the supply of used Teslas increases, the price of used Teslas goes down. At least some prospective buyers would consider new or used; new competes with used, as is typical. The lower used price thus depresses demand for new Teslas, which drives down the new vehicle price as well.

     (But what if nobody will •buy• the used Teslas? Then the people want to sell will offer lower prices until they •do• find a buyer. This is •why• the supply and demand phenomenon happens; please refer to the prereq reading.)

     Furthermore, people have typically bought Teslas with the expectation of a high resale value, which makes them tolerate a higher price. If resale value drops, that reduces demand (and thus price) for •all• Teslas, new and used. This may create a feedback effect.

     People buy stocks on the assumption that a company will be worth more in the future, so that the stock is worth more when they sell it than it was when they bought it. Stocks are thus priced based on an expectation of a company’s •future• profits. If profits decrease — or if people merely •expect• them to decrease — then the stock price tends to decrease too. This is why companies’ stocks so often move immediately after earnings reports: those reports adjust future expectations.

     Musk’s wealth is not all cash. A very large portion of it is tied up in stock, especially Tesla stock. It’s hypothetical money until he sells the stocks. Because he owns such a large portion of the available Tesla stock, he cannot sell too much too quickly without causing the stock value to tank. And if Tesla share prices drop, a bunch of Musk’s still-hypothetical money vanishes — either because he sold, or because he didn’t.

     (I welcome corrections from anyone better qualified than me to do this writeup.)

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 10:14:22 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Sindarina, Edge Case Detective

     Add to my over-long armchair analysis above this insight from @sindarina:
     https://ngmx.com/@sindarina/113959695454201537

     If there’s a •movement• to sell Teslas, then even people who only care about their money and don’t mind Nazis will •still• have reason to hurry up and sell: resale value is going to tank, so get out now! Waiting will only make it worse! You might take a bath, but at least you’ll recoup •something• if you move fast!

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 10:17:42 JST Paul Cantrell

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     (In an ideal fantasy version of this scenario, the only buyers for Teslas end up being Musk/Trump supporters who love the idea of owning a Swasticar so much they’re willing to lose money. The whole “Sell your Tesla!” movement thus becomes a wealth transfer away from the most gullible of the right-wingers.)

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 11:32:10 JST Paul Cantrell

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     The thing that would •really• tank Tesla stock, of course, is a mass hack of the control software, especially one that really alarms owners and isn’t just a temporary glitch. The danged things have computers that (1) receive OTA updates and (2) are connected to the drivetrain…which all seems just bonkers to me, but, well, there it is. Modern cars.

     Imagine a software update that bricks every Tesla in the world overnight. Or causes physical damage to the drivetrain. Or, say, makes them all start inexorably backing up at 0.5kph.

     However, that’s not something ordinary people can control. But if you own a Tesla…well, there •is• something you can do. Sell it.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 11:42:04 JST Paul Cantrell

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     Somebody needs to start making “SELL YOUR SWASTICAR” stickers (bumper or otherwise) and selling them free or at cost

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     Jef Poskanzer :batman: (jef@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 11:45:23 JST Jef Poskanzer :batman:

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     @inthehands I was thinking of making stickers of this:

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 11:45:23 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Jef Poskanzer :batman:

     @jef
     It's classy! But per upthread, I actually think selling them is •better• for the cause than destroying or even (short term anyway) repurposing the parts.

     Then again, “your Tesla will be vandalized / destroyed if left in public” would probably also tank sales, I suppose.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 11:55:36 JST Rich Felker

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     @inthehands It would be a huge shame if somebody did that. Please, nobody do that. 🙃

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 11:57:58 JST Rich Felker

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     • Jef Poskanzer :batman:
     • Mike McCaffrey

     @mikemccaffrey @jef @inthehands Sticker design: "I'm not a [swastika] I just have 🤏 🍆 ⚡"

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     Mike McCaffrey (mikemccaffrey@drupal.community)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 11:58:12 JST Mike McCaffrey

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     • Jef Poskanzer :batman:

     @jef @inthehands And maybe one for Cybertruck owners that says "I'M NOT A NAZI, I JUST HAVE A SMALL PENIS".

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     Mike McCaffrey (mikemccaffrey@drupal.community)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 11:58:13 JST Mike McCaffrey

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     • Jef Poskanzer :batman:

     @jef @inthehands

     I've been thinking of making bumper stickers saying "SORRY I BOUGHT A NAZI CAR" and slipping them under the wiper for folks to use if they are not actually a nazi.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 12:04:50 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • swope

     @swope
     No, and I would never endorse such a thing, obviously

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     swope (swope@mstdn.plus)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 12:04:51 JST swope

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     @inthehands

     Do you know any sticker makers that print on the sticky side? Like for a windshield or something

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 12:08:34 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Venya (he/him/dude)

     @venya
     Oh no! I had a super batt fly over Christmas, worst in years and maybe ever. Hope you fare better!

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     Venya (he/him/dude) (venya@musicians.today)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 12:08:35 JST Venya (he/him/dude)

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     @inthehands

     I'll see what I can come up with if the flu does not kill me in my sleep

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 12:09:49 JST Rich Felker

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     • Jef Poskanzer :batman:
     • Mike McCaffrey

     @mikemccaffrey @jef @inthehands Anyone remember when 🤏 was added to Unicode? There is a certain Type of Dude who decided to make it their hill to die on that this was the most horrible "misandrist" thing to ever happen, and the Venn diagram of these dudes with Cybertruck owners is a circle.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 12:46:59 JST Rich Felker

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     • Jef Poskanzer :batman:
     • Mike McCaffrey

     @mikemccaffrey @jef @inthehands It's a pinching gesture presumably reflecting "thiiiiis small".

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     Mike McCaffrey (mikemccaffrey@drupal.community)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 12:47:00 JST Mike McCaffrey

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     • Rich Felker
     • Jef Poskanzer :batman:

     @dalias @jef @inthehands How have I never noticed that emoji before? What is it supposed to symbolize? Head crushing?

     https://youtu.be/8t4pmlHRokg

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     Gene Cowan (genecowan@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 14:44:47 JST Gene Cowan

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     • Salty Daddy 🏳️‍🌈 🇺🇦 ✡️

     @inthehands @david And worse still, even though his fame is tied intrinsically to Tesla, he had nothing to do with creating the company or its product; he simply bought it and co-opted it, and added video games and fart sounds. Like everything else he’s identified with, he’s a fraud built on others’ hard work and creativity.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 23:07:20 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • LionelB

     @lionelb

     Not that I would advocate such a thing, obviously

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     LionelB (lionelb@expressional.social)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 23:07:21 JST LionelB

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     @inthehands

     If nothing else, the toll of vandalism on a routine basis is sufficient reason to offload it.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 08-Feb-2025 00:47:36 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Andreas Fink

     @afink
     I would obviously never endorse something so illegal myself.

     But if somebody is working on it, I really really hope that ethical hackers trying not to cause harm to humans manage to get there first, before somebody whose goal is in fact to hurt a whole lot of people.

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     Andreas Fink (afink@mastodon.sl)'s status on Saturday, 08-Feb-2025 00:47:41 JST Andreas Fink

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     @inthehands im sure some folks are working hard on that. (getting popcorn now)

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 08-Feb-2025 00:59:21 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Andy Nortrup :cascadia: 🌳

     @andy
     •Somebody• is going to get away with something like this sooner or later, and I just really hope that it’s ethical hackers and not somebody who really wants to hurt a whole lot of people. Because that threat is very real.

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     Andy Nortrup :cascadia: 🌳 (andy@social.seattle.wa.us)'s status on Saturday, 08-Feb-2025 00:59:22 JST Andy Nortrup :cascadia: 🌳

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     @inthehands mass bricking of Teslas at superchargers is probably the responsible hack here. No one wants to kill innocent people driving other cars on the highway.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 08-Feb-2025 01:58:48 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Jeremy 🇨🇦

     @thatgeoguy
     YES. That is exactly the point. Get your supply and demand hat on, and then read the thread again.

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     Jeremy 🇨🇦 (thatgeoguy@coales.co)'s status on Saturday, 08-Feb-2025 01:58:49 JST Jeremy 🇨🇦

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     @inthehands okay but sell it to who? You're gonna judge people for purchasing something, but then your idea is that they just... sell it to someone else who will have just purchased a tesla?

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 00:05:16 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Brendan@TapForms 🇨🇦

     @tapforms
     Yes, by all means do that if you think it has a chance in hell of going anywhere in a hurry. In Canada, you might actually have a chance given current politics. I hope you’re calling your representatives there right now. If you are, I’m cheering you on.

     Here in the US, we are in the middle of a coup attempt. In your first sentence, I can hear the dripping disdain of propriety. Ditch that. It’s the wrong reaction to the moment.

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     Brendan@TapForms 🇨🇦 (tapforms@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 00:05:17 JST Brendan@TapForms 🇨🇦

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     @inthehands Instead of egging on people to vandalize other people's vehicles, how about convincing them to petition their local government representative to get their country to impose 100% tariffs on Teslas. That will dissuade anyone from wanting to buy one and that'll tank the stock.