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   @rher @Yoruka @HopperMCS @Zergling_man the fact that I saw blender in the credits for evangelion 3.0+1.0 being boldly displayed with its logo and everything gives me major hopium for the future of foss software.
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     @waff @Yoruka @HopperMCS @rher @Zergling_man Blender is not "FOSS".
     
     Blender is free software licensed under the GNU General Public License version 2 (or at your option), any later version; https://web.archive.org/web/20241211200928if_/https://www.blender.org/about/license/
     
     It is correct that any free software program with significant development work put into it keeps improving until it has no parallel and then it keeps getting better.
     
     No proprietary compiler compares to GNU Compiler Collection, no proprietary shell compares to GNU bash, no proprietary COBOL implementation compares to GNU Cobol, no proprietary kernel compares to GNU Linux-libre, no proprietary OS compares to the rich functionality of the GNU Emacs OS and so on; https://www.gnu.org/software/
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     @waff @Yoruka @HopperMCS @rher @Zergling_man Blender in fact started off as custom software, so it was initially free software for all of its users.
     
     Then they released it as proprietary software and then finally they released it as free software.
     
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blender_(software)?useskin=monobook#History
     (Yes, it's quite disgusting that wikipedia refers to the releasing as free software as "open-sourcing").
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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @rher @Zergling_man i developed trust in them as they started off as closed source software then made the willing jump the open source pastures. Fun fact, blender actually got started as a program for silicon graphics workstations.
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     @waff @Yoruka @rher @Zergling_man

     Blender's funding issue concerns me, but I'm all for Maya and 3DSMax going the way of the dodo

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man It is correct that he has done your mother.
     
     His long neckbeard is regrowing.
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man

     I see the Stallman meme lives on. Yall here that mf is bald now?

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man It is correct that he has done your mother.
     
     His long neckbeard is regrowing.
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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man Not every act of copulation results in pregnancy.
     
     >he should have been harder on hardware being open source.
     It is a high insult to rms to put "open source" anywhere his name - he does free software; https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html
     
     Hardware really doesn't work with the "open source" development model; https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-hardware-designs.en.html
     
     >The new generations can't be bothered to give a shit unfortunately.
     Most people haven't been advised that free software is even a thing (https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html) and a fully free OS exists, written to give the users freedom - without that knowledge, why would anyone care?
     
     >being off the grid
     He has no need for fixed power or internet - all he needs is enough power to charge his thinkpad (battery life is very long if you run Emacs in fbcon) and internet for a few minutes a day to receive and send emails.
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     Nah, he didn't do my mom otherwise I'd be related to him, and ngl I wouldn't be mad if I had Stallman's genes, the dude is a fucking legend in tech history despite his looks.

     That said, he failed to see that he should have been harder on hardware being open source. The new generations can't be bothered to give a shit unfortunately. I do commend him for hanging on top using cash and being off the grid for as long as he has, that's hard to do.

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man >People will assume you mean free beer
     It's very easy to correct that mistake.
     
     You tell people that free means freedom, not gratis, no matter what marketing conmen say and you are not talking about gratis software and they will understand and won't make the same mistake ever again.
     
     Meanwhile, trying to explain the 10 requirements of the "osd" is a hopeless endeavor; https://opensource.org/osd
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man

     Before you start crying I use open source interchangeably with "free", but the problem with using the word "free" is the ensuing market blunder. People will assume you mean free beer, always, every time, regardless of how you feel about it.

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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man

     ALLAHU AKBAR

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man >you been to a computer science classroom recently?
     I've been to a classroom about computing semi-recently (actual computer science classrooms are pretty rare, as that's the materials and electrical science of manufacturing computers).
     
     >get mad when you tell them they have to take a mandatory course requiring a rawdog command line
     Maybe they will get less mad if you tell them that they are about to experience the freedom of GNU bash, which may look like the horribleness of DOS or windows cmd or powers hell, but has none of the limitations.
     
     >If they can't even be assed to understand the UNIX philosophy
     GNU's Not Unix.
     
     They will understand that a group of freedom enjoyers have got together to develop a 100% free OS to give the users freedom in computing, no matter what it took if you tell them.
     
     >about Stallman's philosophical tangents?
     Tangents?
     
     What he talks about is how it's wrong to yoke people with proprietary software and that software should be about community, sharing and freedom.
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man

     Have you been to a computer science classroom recently? Half these motherfuckers get mad when you tell them they have to take a mandatory course requiring a rawdog command line. If they can't even be assed to understand the UNIX philosophy, how in the fresh hell do you think they're gonna give a rat's ass about Stallman's philosophical tangents?

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     @Zergling_man @Yoruka @waff @HopperMCS @rher I know from experience.
     
     They never forget the GNUish glint in your eyes.
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     @Suiseiseki @rher @HopperMCS @waff @Yoruka >and won't make the same mistake ever again.
     
     You're an optimist.
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     @HopperMCS @rher @waff @Yoruka @Suiseiseki >Mastodon needs
     to be aborted
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man

     Ight, Mastodon needs laugh reacts

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man GNU is not merely a UNIX clone.
     
     All of Unix®'s libraries etc were re-implemented from scratch so existing free software could be compiled and worked, but now GNU has gone far beyond anything Unix could ever hope to be.
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man

     You're right, GNU's Not Unix. GNU's A UNIX Clone.

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man GNU Social supports both OStatus and ActivityPub.
     
     The mastodon infidels of course removed OStatus supporter without giving the GNU Social developers a few months to finish implementing ActivityPub; https://web.archive.org/web/20190423200202if_/https://gnujihad.neocities.org/
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man

     I think he meant StatusNet

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man GNU has multiple kernels.
     
     GNU Linux-libre and GNU Hurd are both supported kernels and GNU Emacs runs just as well on either.
     
     GNU/Linux-libre is indeed complete enough to use a computer in freedom; https://gnu.org/software/ and the whole idea was that completion would be when a computer user could use a recent computer in freedom again and they reached that, but kept going.
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man

     UNIX had its own kernel. Where's HURD at? The GNU Operating System isn't complete lmao

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     @Zergling_man @Yoruka @waff @HopperMCS @rher As far as I can tell, mastodon maliciously removed OStatus in ~2019.
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     @Suiseiseki @rher @HopperMCS @waff @Yoruka Does it still? I heard that it abandoned ostatus recently.
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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man I'm not sure what you're on about.
     
     Linux-libre is a de-bastardization - they take Linux and remove the proprietary software to turn it into a free kernel.
     
     The GPLv2-only license of L4 grants you the freedom to make it monolithic if you wish, alas the freedom would be richer if it was GPLv2-or-later.
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man

     Linux-libre is a bastardization lmao that's like me forking L4 and making it monolithic

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man Since removing it would break federation and they could have just waited a few more months for AP to be implemented, or even helped the GNU Social developers out implementing it faster and then remove it.
     
     Instead, they just removed it and a bunch of instances updated and broke federation.
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man

     Maliciously? How do you know that?

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man I'm not sure what you're on about.
     
     I run fully free software with Nouveau on a 780 Ti, which Linux-libre does not touch, as everything is free software, including the free peripheral software they wrote.
     
     All Linux-libre does is not force proprietary software onto the user.
     
     Linux-libre helpfully patches numerous GPU drivers so they operate, that otherwise refuse to function totally without proprietary software.
     
     
     If you want proprietary peripheral software that doesn't respect your freedom to be loaded up onto your GPU, you have the freedom to add it to CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE="" and compile and install that version and it will be loaded.
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man

     "Let me make your GPU less useful, you paid for it but your hardware has proprietary silicon internals so fuck you"

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man AP is a free protocol spec.
     
     Mastodon implements AP, but always in an incompatible way, thus by default federation is broken to non-Mastodon and Pleroma and GNU Social developers have had to go and implement Mastodon's API for federation to work.
     
     It was originally StatusNet, but as always, it was GNU who did the hard work that got it to work usably.
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man

     Is it Mastodon's job to worry about whether or not other software projects follow the open AP spec? It's not Mastodon who created it, it's the guy who created StatusNet (or as you call it GNU Social) ironically.

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man >to just compile their kernel and specific mods needed to make their hardware work
     They you are using a computer, you should be willing to learn how to use it, especially doing something as trivial as compiling a kernel.
     
     If you aren't, that's okay, but you should stop using computers, as that would be best for you.
     
     A configuration file edit is not a mod.
     
     The whole concept is that it is not their hardware, as it doesn't work without proprietary software - really they should get hardware that is theirs, or get together and sue the manufacturer for their GPLv2 violations and demand the complete corresponding source under the GPLv2.
     
     >your average normie doesn't know what to make of a simple error message 90% +/- of the time
     They should learn or stop using computers.
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     "Tell users who have no experience compiling software, parsing docs and man pages, to just compile their kernel and specific mods needed to make their hardware work"

     Bruh your average normie doesn't know what to make of a simple error message 90% +/- of the time

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     @HopperMCS @rher @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @waff All I'm hearing is that you hate liberty.
     翠星石 likes this.
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     @Zergling_man @waff @Yoruka @Suiseiseki @rher

     This is such a retarded take, I'm laughing my ass off irl

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     @HopperMCS @rher @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @waff You're still making excuses for them. When we win, we will ban them from accessing electronics. It's merciful.
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     @Zergling_man @waff @Yoruka @Suiseiseki @rher

     This is a dumb argument but your average user doesn't care and isn't going to bother with that. They want to use their office software and play their games. No amount of "this is freedom" is gonna fix this and you know that lmfao

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     @HopperMCS @rher @waff @Yoruka @Suiseiseki "oh no I deliberately bought hardware with chains on it and now I can't take them off, how could this possibly be happening to me"
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man

     Okay, so for those of us who don't use Thinkpads, it's a bastardization. In order to take advantage of my 4050 Ti, I need PRIME, which Noubeau absolutely does not offer 🫢

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     @Zergling_man @waff @Yoruka @Suiseiseki @rher

     Yeah, if you can't compile and install an operating system from source you have no business near a computer 🙄🤡

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     @HopperMCS @Zergling_man @waff @Yoruka @rher If you are unwilling to learn to do something as trivial as that, you indeed are a total clown and have no business near a computer.
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     @HopperMCS @rher @waff @Yoruka @Suiseiseki >Bruh your average normie doesn't know what to make of a simple error message 90% +/- of the time
     This conversation isn't about "your average normie". They don't belong anywhere near a computer. Do not make excuses for them.
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     @HopperMCS @Zergling_man @waff @Yoruka @rher https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html#Arch
     I use a free version of Gentoo btw.
     
     I never wrote that electronics should be taken away - I wrote that they should choose what's best for them.
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     @Zergling_man @waff @Yoruka @Suiseiseki @rher

     No, I use Arch btw. I'm educated, but the overwhelming vast majority of people can't use a GUI effectively. Taking electronics away from people because they don't think exactly like you is a retarded take.

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man I don't see what C has to do with running make or running an installer.
     
     If someone wants to try out GNU/Linux, I install it for them and let them have a try.
     
     If they want to learn how to exercise any freedom, I'm glad to show them how it's done.
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man

     So what is your most successful method to convert someone who's never touched a line of C in his life to make the switch and not immediately get pissed at you 6 months down the line?

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man Computers should be built for computer users, a certain subset which should be programmers, but not all computer users need to be programmers.
     
     But as it turns out, even secretaries who don't consider themselves to be programmers learn how to program when the instructions for using GNU Emacs note how to program Emacs without calling it programmers.
     
     
     Arch is for nu-males, not programmers.
     
     Any boss would be able to use a computer with a basic level of competency if they were willing to learn how to carry out tasks efficiently with a computer - alas microsoft or apple or google or intel or amd or nvidia and many more are always there, ready to totally prevent such learning before it can even begin with their proprietary software.
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     I'm not talking about me, I'm a programmer using a system built by programmers for programmers. God I can't wait to tell my boss she can't use the computer until she compiles her damn kernel! 😂😂😂

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man >if you've ever ran into an error compiling a kernel, you'd know sometimes it requires you to delve into kernel code. Not every build is successful lol
     Not at all?
     
     You just install the missing GNU dependencies, select the correct GCC version or edit the screwed config and then it compiles - none of which requires delving into the code, just reading the gcc error and thinking how that error would be corrected.
     
     >but not forced on everyone. It's a decision the user has to make to educate themselves.
     Unfortunately many people don't have the ability to make such decision, as a nonfree system is forced onto them.
     
     >While we're at it, how do I make my iPhone free software?
     You'll have to ask a cryptographer who is also skilled at reverse engineering to break all of the digital handcuffs before anyone can consider porting GNU/Linux-libre - reverse engineering the hardware and writing free drivers.
     
     Exploits have been found for older iphones, which the nonfree postmarketos BusyBox/Linux distro supports; https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Apple_iPhone_6_(apple-iphone6)
     
     Some devices would work just fine without proprietary software, alas postmarketos pushes only nonfree versions of Linux onto people and includes all of the proprietary software by default.
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man

     While we're at it, how do I make my iPhone free software?

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     I'm of the opinion a free system should exist, in your words, but not forced on everyone. It's a decision the user has to make to educate themselves.

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     @waff @Yoruka @HopperMCS @rher @Zergling_man There are very few federating GNU social instances now unfortunately.
     
     I believe one of the last few is gnusocial.jp.
     
     He just used the instance someone wrote a posting script for.
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @HopperMCS @rher @Zergling_man i still dont get why rms doesnt use gnu social and prefers to use mastadon. I do like my gnu social fedi account but it seems odd rms doesnt use what he personally promoted more.
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     @waff @Yoruka @HopperMCS @rher @Zergling_man Artix has all the problems of Arch, but probably has added more I reckon.
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @HopperMCS @rher @Zergling_man
     >Arch is for nu males
     Thank God I use artix
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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man >proprietary games that more often than not doesn't support that older hardware.
     The only proprietary games that won't run are those sabotaged with digital handcuffs or total incompetence, but all of such games are such utterly garbage that anyone with any sanity wouldn't play them.
     
     All other proprietary games will at least run, alas many are so poorly optimized that even on a 32 core KGPE-D16 with a 780 Ti, they won't be playable.
     
     By why would you soil the freedom of such hardware when you can play free software games?; https://libregamewiki.org/Main_Page
     
     Life is too short for proprietary malware.
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     As everyone here has pointed out, there's hardware that you can buy that doesn't fuck with your freedoms. But the average user wants to play proprietary games that more often than not doesn't support that older hardware. I don't know about everyone else, but life is too short to deny certain experiences in life.

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     @HopperMCS @Zergling_man @waff @Yoruka @rher "FOSS" is degeneracy - it tries to find a middle ground between freedom and corporate bootlicking and everyone also assumes it means gratis, source-available software too.
     
     Playing proprietary games is not good for your freedom, as you don't even have the freedom to share them.
     
     In some cases proprietary games have been cloned, allowing people to play, share and/or modify such without losing their freedom.
     
     See ultimate stunts for an example.
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     @Zergling_man @waff @Yoruka @Suiseiseki @rher

     If playing Fallout 4 or god forbid Pokémon on a Nintendo Switch is wrong, I don't wanna be right lmao

     For my server and main PC I'll use the software up to its limits. If a foss version becomes available, I'll switch to that but I'm not a luddite like you guys.

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     @HopperMCS @rher @waff @Yoruka @Suiseiseki > I don't know about everyone else, but life is too short to deny certain experiences in life.
     This is basically an argument for sin.
     Please stop doing this to yourself.
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     Man, you must be fun at parties 😂

     But seriously, if I want to game like the rest of the population I'll find a way. You realize the main argument people have against GNU/Linux is the antithesis of what you want, right? 😂

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man I couldn't make it to the GNUboot install party.
     
     Many people play free software games without even realizing it.
     
     Proprietary games are an antithesis of the very reason GNU was written.
     
     No matter what I say or do, people will continue to run proprietary games on GNU/Linux, which is bad, but slightly less bad then them running the games on windows.
     
     It would be an error to claim that "GNU/Linux doesn't do games", as it runs the most games out of any OS - GNU/Linux ones, GNU Emacs ones, BSD ones, games for many other systems via emulators and even windows ones via WINE.
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     @waff @Yoruka @HopperMCS @rher @Zergling_man >your icon is a touhou character
     Not it is not.
     
     It is a character from a hand drawn 漫画 series and I believe the アニメ series were hand drawn too - either of which you can enjoy without running any proprietary software.
     
     >a closed source game made for the proprietary platform known as windows
     I am not opposed to "closed source", I am opposed to proprietary software.
     
     The first few Touhou games were for the PC-98 - the windows versions came later.
     
     >that which zun put also on steam to thwart online piracy which in addition added drm to the games.
     I figure zun put some versions on steam to get more money by making it more convenient that online sharing and of course steam implements digital handcuffs by default.
     
     Piracy is theft and murder with the help of a boat - generally sharing information with your neighbors would be a good thing, although not in the case where you're distributing proprietary software.
     
     >Sure, you can say fangames are sometimes made free software
     Taisei is indeed free software and I enjoy playing that.
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @HopperMCS @rher @Zergling_man bruh your icon is a touhou character...a closed source game made for the proprietary platform known as windows, that which zun put also on steam to thwart online piracy which in addition added drm to the games. Sure, you can say fangames are sometimes made free software but if you are talking about the sole franchise I mean....come on man. Though to be fair not many touhou fans actually play the games.
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     @HopperMCS @rher @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @waff "Hey man, if you don't stop bashing yourself in the head with that hammer I'm gonna confiscate it"
     "IT'S HIS RIGHT TO BASH HIMSELF IN THE HEAD WITH A HAMMER IF HE WANTS"
     翠星石 likes this.
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     @Zergling_man @waff @Yoruka @Suiseiseki @rher

     No, you're retarded. You can't sit here and screech about freedom only when it favors your philosophy. It's the user's choice not to use free software, not the other way around.

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     @HopperMCS @rher @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @waff >because they don't think exactly like you
     Yeah ok, you're retarded. I see.
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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man If you are going to run proprietary games, please do not immorally funding proprietary software distributors/developers - at least run unauthorized copies instead of giving them more money.
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man

     I'm very much a Steam/GOG guy. Take it up with Gaben

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     @HopperMCS @waff @Yoruka @rher @Zergling_man >the command line
     There is not such thing really.
     
     There is GNU bash if you use the best shell.
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     @waff @Yoruka @Suiseiseki @rher @Zergling_man

     Compiling is not hard, but neither is the command line. The average person wants to deal with neither, they just want their shit to work at the jump.

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @Suiseiseki @rher @Zergling_man to be fair compilation has been made far easier these days with things like makepkg and slackbuild. And if you have an odd os you just need to read one of those pkgbuild files you download off the aur and it gives detailed instructions on both your dependencies and what you need to do to compile. 90% of the time I dont know what I am copying and pasting into the terminal but I end up with a finished binary. Keep in mind I am not a programmer.
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     @waff @Yoruka @Suiseiseki @rher @Zergling_man

     Yeah, but these guys don't want the middle ground, they want the hardest way possible. Users shouldn't have to compile their kernel to use their PC, the kernel should be available to compile and modify if the user so desires. I'm for choice over ideology.

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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @HopperMCS @rher @Zergling_man you can make artix as free as parabola if you choose. It just offers the options of nonfree packages if you so decide to go that way and it doesnt make it difficult. Making the free options and nonfree options on an equal playing field in terms of accessibility is what I desire most in my os. My older 32 bit pc runs parabola like a glove though by the way, the machine doesnt even have sse2.
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     @HopperMCS @waff @Yoruka @rher @Zergling_man I have taken the reasonable, reserved ground in repose to proprietary degeneracy.
     
     If you learned about the consequences of proprietary software and all the proprietary malware and the malicious functionalities, you'd be more extreme than me.
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     @waff @Yoruka @Suiseiseki @rher @Zergling_man

     I used to be like some of you guys, religiously FSF. There's a middle ground that's reasonable, some of you don't like that.

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     @waff @Yoruka @HopperMCS @rher @Zergling_man Hacker is a positive term associated with playful cleverness, even though the media constantly uses it incorrectly.
     
     Piracy is a negative term that refers to theft and murder with the help of a boat and using it incorrectly to refer to either unauthorized or prohibited copying isn't a badge of honor - what would be a badge of honor is saying that you enjoy sharing information with your neighbors.
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @HopperMCS @rher @Zergling_man o wait ur rite. Im retarded lul. It looked like a touhou character from a distance XDD. I dont know I see the word pirate as a badge of honor the way rms sees the word hacker.
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     @professionalbigot69 @HopperMCS @rher @Zergling_man My router runs 100% free software.
     
     What proprietary malware *software* runs on the computers on the internet doesn't concern me, as my packets are encrypted with tor and TLS.
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     @Suiseiseki @HopperMCS @rher @Zergling_man you don't even control the firmware in your router's nearest neighbor
     stop being such a gay nerd and go running more
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     @HopperMCS @professionalbigot69 @rher @Zergling_man The software a remote router runs impacts the freedom of who hosts the router, but not you and they should run free software for their own freedoms sake.
     
     It does impact your security, thus you need to use encryption.
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     @professionalbigot69 @Suiseiseki @rher @Zergling_man

     Exactly, in real life you're gonna be exposed to unfree whether you want to or not.

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     @HopperMCS @rher @professionalbigot69 @Zergling_man The shackles cannot do anything to the 3 layers of TLS.
     
     Of course we need a GNU internet, with routers composed of computers that run 100% free software, but of course there's GNUnet; https://gnu.org/software/gnunet
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     They still get touched by proprietary shackles

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     @waff @Yoruka @HopperMCS @rher @Zergling_man >rape and pillager
     That's closer to raiders than pirates.
     
     >one who shares files freely and openly to those who so desire them.
     You're one who shares information with their neighbors - I'm not sure why you would be afraid to say that instead of smearing yourself.
     
     >would refer to them as people who try and cause malicious harm to anyone so long as they recieve a profit at the end.
     That would be a fraudster.
     
     They often call anyone who commits any crime that happens to involve a computer a "hacker", rather than describing the crime.
     
     Those who break computer security are in fact crackers, although in certain cases the cracking process requires playful cleverness to pull off - but the media doesn't say that, as someone could learn something.
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @HopperMCS @rher @Zergling_man well it depends on what you mean by it. When I am referring to myself as a pirate I am not referring to myself as a rape and pillager but one who shares files freely and openly to those who so desire them. The same thing with a hacker. If you asked a newsanchor what a hacker was they would refer to them as people who try and cause malicious harm to anyone so long as they recieve a profit at the end.
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     @HopperMCS @rher @Zergling_man GNU/Linux is in use directly by at least a 500 million people - unfortunately most people don't even realize that they're using it, as people tell them it's "just Linux" and written "just for fun by Linus";
     https://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-users-never-heard-of-gnu.html
     https://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html
     
     There is no precise way to determine how many GNU/Linux desktop users there are, as it doesn't spy on the users.
     
     
     ~5.5 billion people use GNU/Linux indirectly via all the routers on the internet and all the webservers and all the other important servers that need to work that run GNU/Linux.
     
     GNU/Linux greatly assisted getting the internet to work and to scale (the internet couldn't possibly have gotten as big as it is now if routers ran fully proprietary OS's, that cannot be easily fixed, or at all, that have a per install cost) and also consider the GNU Zebra BGP implementation.
     
     
     Have a landline phone or a fax line? That's most likely served by asterisk (or degenerately a proprietary version) on GNU/Linux.
     
     Have a mobile phone? That's most likely served by asterisk on GNU/Linux and the computers that control the mobile towers likely run GNU/Linux too.
     
     Android wouldn't have been possible without GNU, too bad Android doesn't include GNU, to prevent the users from having freedom.
     
     Access any popular website? That's usually being served from Apache or nginx or lighttpd, running on GNU/Linux.
     
     I can keep going, but it's only really useful if I was to go into the specifics.
     
     
     All free software depends on the solid rock of GNU libraries and GNU software like GCC, GNU autotools and GNU make etc.
     
     
     Yet, few people have heard of this wonderful fully free OS (could it be because a proprietary agenda pushes the idea of "Linux" hard, so people never end up learning of the existence of GNU, or get the wrong idea as to what it is about).
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     I'm still curious as to how this operating system is only used by a handful of the population. It's been like how many years since 1985?

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     @HopperMCS @waff @Yoruka @rher @Zergling_man They went from GNU/Linux-libre to GNU/kernelofaBSD (can't remember which one).
     
     They're having trouble really as all BSD's are chock full of proprietary software and unlicensed files.
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     @waff @Yoruka @Suiseiseki @rher @Zergling_man

     How the hell do you go from Linux to BSD?

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @Suiseiseki @rher @Zergling_man i think theyre both forks of arch but had their own seperate philosophies and maintainers. Parabola kept to the gnu philosophy (and also kept archlinux32 support) whereas hyperbola started out as a gnu/linux distro and now is transitioning to bsd. I just checked their site tho and it seems they are walking that back a bit so who knows, theyre being prettt wishy washy
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     @waff @Yoruka @Suiseiseki @rher @Zergling_man

     Which one is a fork of which, and why is it a problem? I know very little about these two distros other than they exist.

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @Suiseiseki @rher @Zergling_man no no not parabola. Parabola is fine. Hyperbola however is not.
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     Parabola? Isn't that a distro? Yeah, what pisses me off is the black and white mentality. Everything for these guys is for and against when it doesn't have to be that way. I don't particularly care for eg Torvalds myself, but at the end of the day there's not a whole lot that can be done about it.

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     @HopperMCS @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @rher @Zergling_man as much as their opinions on free software may piss you off you gotta understand these extremes are necessary to keep some software pure and free of bad actors trying to slip their profiteering schemes into what previously would have been considered good software. A great example of this would be what is going on right now with hyperbola. The main maintainer if hyperbola by the way is also a soyboy cucked faggot.
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man

     I have, and I also live in reality. Some software I want to run doesn't conform, and I'm able to run it alongside "free" software. You FSF people are exhausting, I never understood why some people hated you until I ran into the diehards irl. You guys give it a bad name, your friend over here is literally calling people trannies over disagreement of opinion. C'mon, man.

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @waff @rher @Zergling_man https://nyaa.si/view/1356780 (all episodes released on bluray)
     https://nyaa.si/view/1364446 (manga + movies + OVAs + all episodes in DVD format)
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     I'm your neighbor, is there any way you could share the entirety of Bleach with me? I need it for...educational purposes.

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @rher @Zergling_man >Arch server in my homelab using Jellyfin, chosen for its GPL license.
     Jellyfin is claimed to be GPLv2-ambigious, but I suspect Jellyfin contains proprietary software and therefore the developers infringe each others license (just like how Linux developers infringes each others GPLv2-only license by adding proprietary software or developing proprietary derivative work).
     
     >Primarily you're just mad about the BSD license.
     There is no singular "BSD license".
     
     There is the BSD 4-clause, 3-clause, 2-clause, 1-clase and 0-clause.
     
     All are weak licenses that don't defend the users freedom and 4-clause BSD is incompatible with all GPL family licenses.
     
     >Linux is a clone of the UNIX kernel
     False.
     
     The only thing that Linux cloned was the monolithic design, everything else was written from scratch.
     
     >GNU is a clone of the UNIX userland.
     False.
     
     GNU set out to write a wholly free OS from scratch, but compatibility for Unix API's was implemented so free software written for Unix would compile and work.
     
     GNU started writing a kernel in early 1991, while Linus only started writing a kernel for GNU in late 1991.
     
     >Last I heard Android doesn't use GNU
     >It doesn't change the fact that my "mobile phone" is Linux
     google's mobile runs Android, which happens to use the kernel, Linux, but has a lot of other software, considering that Linux is useless by itself; https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/init/main.c#n1522
     
     You can install GNU on Android via Termux and it's suddenly less useless.
     
     >created because the devs think GNU is too bloated
     That was not why BusyBox was written - it was written so that garbage routers with only a few MiB of storage could run a clone of GNU.
     
     Android It does not use BusyBox - it uses toybox, as that had a weak license, but toybox is as useful as a box of toys.
     
     An OS is more than a kernel and a coreutils - Android also contains all the other software it needs to run - with all inferior implementations of what GNU/Linux has to offer, all under weak licenses.
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     It doesn't change the fact that my "mobile phone" is Linux but not GNU 🤓 Maybe iOS, but I don't use iOS.

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     Last I heard Android doesn't use GNU, some form of BusyBox (created because the devs think GNU is too bloated).

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     @HopperMCS @Suiseiseki @rher @Zergling_man en
     everything is too bloated if you ask these people
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     @menherahair @HopperMCS @rher @Zergling_man Toybox is licensed under the 0-clause BSD (i.e. please take this software and attack humanity with it without even giving me credit for writing it as I hate humanity just that much).
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     @HopperMCS @Suiseiseki @rher @Zergling_man busybox was created specifically for embedded systems. some of the utils actually implement GNU extensions because they're nice to have. Today android uses toybox which "split" (in reality all new code) from busybox pretty much over licensing (GPL2 vs 3+).
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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @rher @Zergling_man ffmpeg is free software, but Jellyfin isn't just ffmpeg.
     
     Both GNU and Linux make no effort to replicate Unix's functionality - all they implemented was the library support required to get existing free software to compile.
     
     Unix software had things like arbitrary file-size limits and loaded things into RAM in chunks, while GNU software was designed to be incompatible and have no such limits and also read whole files straight into memory - making GNU more reliable and faster than Unix ever was.
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @rher @Zergling_man

     Unless ffmpeg isn't fReE sOfTwArE, Jellyfin is.

     I stand by my point that GNU/Linux is a cleanroomed UNIX. Over time it's differentiated itself but denying that's how it started is peak clownworld.

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     @HopperMCS @menherahair @rher @Zergling_man The fact you can't do banking from GNU bash if you wish shows how bad a state the world is in.
     
     Termux contains an Xorg server, thus you can run GNU/Linux GUI applications as well.
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     So still not GNU. I'm sure if I rooted my phone (at this point you need a Pixel for that) I'm sure I could unlock the bootloader and put something GNU on there, but truth be told I prefer to keep the CLI on my PC, not my phone. I can't do banking from the command line.

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @rher @Zergling_man Jellyfin is NOT licensed under the GPLv2-only - there is only a copy of the GPLv2 dumped in the project root - there is no copyright headers or any comment noting which files such license applies to.
     
     I did find license headers, but those are MIT expat ones;
     https://raw.githubusercontent.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/refs/heads/master/src/Jellyfin.Networking/HappyEyeballs/HttpClientExtension.cs
     https://raw.githubusercontent.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/refs/heads/master/src/Jellyfin.Extensions/SplitStringExtensions.cs
     
     Grepping, all I can find for "GPL" is as below;
     MediaBrowser.Model/MediaBrowser.Model.csproj: <PackageLicenseExpression>GPL-3.0-only</PackageLicenseExpression>
     MediaBrowser.Common/MediaBrowser.Common.csproj: <PackageLicenseExpression>GPL-3.0-only</PackageLicenseExpression>
     README.md:<img alt="GPL 2.0 License" src="https://img.shields.io/github/license/jellyfin/jellyfin.svg"/>
     Emby.Naming/Emby.Naming.csproj: <PackageLicenseExpression>GPL-3.0-only</PackageLicenseExpression>
     Jellyfin.Data/Jellyfin.Data.csproj: <PackageLicenseExpression>GPL-3.0-only</PackageLicenseExpression>
     src/Jellyfin.Extensions/Jellyfin.Extensions.csproj: <PackageLicenseExpression>GPL-3.0-only</PackageLicenseExpression>
     MediaBrowser.Controller/MediaBrowser.Controller.csproj: <PackageLicenseExpression>GPL-3.0-only</PackageLicenseExpression>
     
     As GPLv2-only is not compatible with GPLv3-only, that doesn't seem correct.
     
     As far as I can tell, Jellyfin has *no license* aside from a few files under MIT expat and the copy of the GPLv2 was only included to trick people into thinking it is free software.
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     I'm not arguing with you about Jellyfin. Jellyfin is Stallman's definition of free software regardless of yours or my opinion.

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     @sally @HopperMCS @Yoruka @Zergling_man @meso @rher >The source code is
     It isn't - there is no indication a single file in the project is licensed under the GPLv2-only.
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     > So fucking what it's written in C#?
     
     It does matter when the compiler is proprietary or you require proprietary dependencies to compile it, which is the case with every modern C# program.
     
     > The code itself is beholden to GPL
     
     The source code is, the binaries can't be, given that you can't get a useful program because binaries are proprietary Jellyfin is, by design, proprietary.
     
     > If you don't like MS use Mono
     
     I don't like MS and I reject everything written in C# because it's proprietary and dogshit technical-wise, also Mono is cringe and proprietary pilled: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft#Mono_patent_concerns
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     @sally @Yoruka @Suiseiseki @rher @Zergling_man @meso

     So fucking what it's written in C#? The code itself is beholden to GPL, whether you like the language or not. If you don't like MS use Mono, but either way the language (and status of compiler) doesn't mean the program isn't GPL/free software. That's heinous tbh

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     > Jellyfin
     
     > GPL
     
     It's C# shitware by the way, non-eligible for GPL, Jellyfin is proprietary once compiled.
     
     cc @meso Jellyfin mentioned.
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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @sally @rher @Zergling_man @meso They appear to be severe degenerates that program proprietary software in C# on windows on github, so they can't be saved.
     
     I'd rather never use Jellyfin and advise others the same and help out a better project with licensing.
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @sally @rher @Zergling_man @meso

     They want to know since you're such a big dog lawyer why don't you go in there and help them with their license shit yourself?

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @sally @rher @Zergling_man @meso I run GNUboot, not liebreboot.
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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @Zergling_man @meso @rher @sally Please send them this link;
     https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#LicenseCopyOnly
     
     They need to add the GPLv2-or-later header to each and every nontrivial file (right there in the GPLv2, but they haven't read it), listing the relevant copyright holder, or at bare minimum;
     // SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0-or-later
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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @Zergling_man @meso @rher @sally There is a massive issue there as they could be mixing GPLv2-only with GPLv3-or-later.
     
     They need to get the licensing in order. They at least need an unambiguous statement in the README stating that; "Each file without a license header is licensed under the GNU General Public License version 2 (or at your option) any later version."
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     @Suiseiseki @Yoruka @sally @rher @Zergling_man @meso

     https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/610#issuecomment-537625510

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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @sally @rher @Zergling_man @meso I do not have a github account as you cannot get one without running proprietary software.
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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @Zergling_man @meso @rher @sally You told those discord degenerates that I run the 100% free GNUboot and not the proprietary liebreboot btw?
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     @sally @HopperMCS @Yoruka @Zergling_man @meso @rher GNU still offers the latest version of the free DotGNU, but you have no hope getting anything to compile not specifically written for DotGNU.
     
     The GPLv2 does have exceptions that allow for free software even written in proprietary languages, but there could be some issue with C# when it comes to the library bindings - I'm not sure if the GPLv2's system library exception would apply to those bindings if they are proprietary.
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     @HopperMCS @Yoruka @Zergling_man @meso @rher
     
     
     Doesn't matter, it's C# shitware, it can't comply with GPL by design, specially since GNU gave up on offering a free compiler, plus the patent degeneracy.
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     @lispi314 @HopperMCS @rher @Zergling_man That's not really relevant to the article, as FGPAs are like any other computer hardware that runs software.
     
     Ideally you would have a free FGPA design, get that fabbed and then run whatever free designs on that as software.
     
     The only current line of FGPAs that I'm aware of are fully programmable in freedom is the ICE40 line, too bad no model has enough logic gates for a really complicated hardware design.
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     @Suiseiseki @Zergling_man @rher @HopperMCS The article on hardware misses acknowledging the existence of dynamic FPGA programming/reprogramming/reconfiguration which has some interesting possibilities.