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   BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Jan-2025 01:38:33 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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   Day 2 — Genesis 4-7
   Genesis 4
   I've read through Genesis probably twenty times in my life and never taken the time to look up any scholarly commentary. I had often heard through evangelical churches "Cain's sacrifice was bad because it was just fruit and you need blood" or an explanation that it was an empty sacrifice not born of faith (scripturally supported) but without much explanation. I looked into commentary on this and found an interesting commentary by Charles Ellicott. The summary being that Cain's sacrifice was obviously not something he did happily (God loves a cheerful giver), God spoke directly to Cain to say as much. Think about that— God still spoke to Adam and Eve and their children the same way He previously did to Adam and Eve. Ellicott also brings up something fascinating about the names, specifically Abel: it was a name given to him, likely postmortem, because of his death.
   Abel's sacrifice as an inspiration for later Gnostic beliefs that blood sacrifice is the only thing pleasing to God is interesting too, and appears to be directly refuted by God's gentle criticism of Cain for his unsatisfactory sacrifice and shows a caring attitude towards Cain.
   >6So the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is [d]for you, but you should rule over it."
   Completely different from the idea of a wrathful OT demiurge type figure we're often told of.
   
   RT: https://poa.st/objects/9880ff24-e655-4f6f-9f29-906a30d93d2c
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     Genesis 5: lineage to Noah. People lived a long time when there weren't so many and we needed a boost. Methuselah is believed to have died when the flood starts.
     
     Genesis 6: Nephelim mentioned. Not as a huge deal, but more in passing. It was probably something people just accepted as reality at the time of Genesis' writing that corrupted lines of people existed who were deeply involved in wicked things. The stories must have been well known and remembered. Interestingly I learned of the Chaldean Genesis, which contains another telling of this story and is allegedly older than Moses'. Curious if anyone has thoughts on this .
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     Genesis 7:
     Flood habbening. Noah built an ark because of God's commands. It was likely seen as an insane idea at the time. Noah did it anyway. Sky water and floods? Please! Everybody else was going to keep on doing their thing. Noah spent at least 50 years working on this ark. Again this counters the gnostic-adjacent uncaring OT God belief by the facts involved. God personally instructed Noah on what to do, and he did it.
     >15And they went into the ark to Noah, two by two, of all flesh in which is the breath of life. 16So those that entered, male and female of all flesh, went in as God had commanded him; and the Lord shut him in.
     God even shuts the door to the ark— likely a massive endeavor presuming the door was an entrypoint for large cattle—before the flood, a sort of final reminder that He is in control and will protect Noah and those on The Ark. @whiteman_
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     Mosley (whiteman_@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Jan-2025 02:16:41 JST Mosley

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     @BowsacNoodle I forgot to write my reflection on 4-6
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     ?uper?nekFriend ? (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Jan-2025 03:40:54 JST ?uper?nekFriend ?

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     >Chaldean Genesis
     Never heard of that. Is that just another name for the creation and flood account in the Epic of Gilgamesh and any other extant ANE literature we have?
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     @SuperSnekFriend Appear so. When it was first discovered, the archeologist was some self taught guy who was piecing together fragments in a museum. He got so excited he ran around the room screaming and tearing off his clothes. Definitely a man who was passionate about his work.
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     This is real reason why academics suck now. No clothes-tearing passion! :pensive_cowboy:
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     >Scientists then: I found an unheard of discovery nakie time!
     >Scientists now: I found an unheard of discovery better submit it for peer review and get it either refuted or stolen from me.
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     ?uper?nekFriend ? (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Jan-2025 08:28:11 JST ?uper?nekFriend ?

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     Yeah, the whole "it should have been blood" thing is a weak interpretation. The Lord demanded grain offerings in certain circumstances in the Old Covenant and accepted those offerings has a general gift offering (Lev 2, 14:20). Christ is as much the Bread of Life as He is the sacrificial Lamb of God, so it was not a typological problem, either.
     
     Hebrews 11:4 should put the nail in the coffin of that meme interpretation, too. Faith was what made the difference between Abel's sacrifice being accepted and Cain's rejected; and as we should know, God prefers obedience, rather than sacrifices. (1 Sam. 15:22, 1 John 3:12)
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     @SuperSnekFriend @BowsacNoodle I'm glad you mentioned this! It's an old argument I still see trotted out sometimes. I agree it had nothing to do with what was offered or even "how" it was offered, procedurally speaking, but the state of Cain's heart.
     
     Cain's heart and deeds were evil and the entire story of Cain is one of a man who doesn't seek repentance. God gently chides him for the state of his heart and even tells Can his sacrifice will be accepted if he subdues the sin crouching outside. (As a side note, I've always loved the crouching imagery, as it brings to mind a beast ready to pounce, an active participant, demonic in origin [1 Peter 5:8]) Cain refuses to subdue his passions, gives in to them, murders his brother, lies to God. Then, even after God places a curse on him, Cain shows no sign of remorse or sorrow for anyone other than himself! He is worried only that people will take vengeance on him! Unrepentant and sinful to the end.
     
     Thus, while Adam brings death into the world, Cain is often visualized as the father of sin, due to his unrepentant heart, as seen in 1 John 3 or Jude.
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     @BowsacNoodle @SuperSnekFriend @Myles @SuperLutheran @tyler what i learned was the bible calls people chaldeans i was like "who dat?" that's the babylonians, they practiced a religion caleld dahlean or something.
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     nugger@poa.st's status on Monday, 06-Jan-2025 02:15:03 JST nugger

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     @BowsacNoodle WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO ME ABOUT THE WHOLE NEPHILIN/GIANTS/HEROES THING IS HOW IT'S SUPER PREVALENT IN THE BRONZE AGE, AND THEN AFTER THE COLLAPSE IT'S MOPPED UP BY THE SURVIVORS
     
     LIKE, IN MYCENAEAN GREECE YOU HAVE DUDES TAKING BITES OUT OF LIVE PIGEONS, DOING ORGIES, RITUAL SEX, EVERY FUCKIN KIND OF SPIRITUAL STEROIDS TO BECOME THE GIGA-NIGGER WARRIOR
     IRON AGE GREECE -- EVEN WITH THE INTEREST IN PROPHECY ALL THE DEMON-POSSESSED ORACLES ARE SLAVES. THE ORACLE OF DELPHI WAS A SLAVE GIRL.
     
     NOT TO MENTION THE REST OF THE WORLD
     YOU HAVE ALL OF THE NON-ISRAELITE DESCENDANTS OF ABRAHAM LIKE EDOMITES OUT THERE KILLING GIANTS
     YOU HAVE UNRELATED PAGANS LIKE KING CEDARLAOMER KILLING GIANTS AND THE DISTINCTION IS MADE THAT HIS GUYS ARE JUST REGULAR PAGANS BUT THE ONES HE SUBJUGATED WERE GIANT CLANS
     THE IRISH MYTHS ABOUT KILLING GIANTS ARE ALSO AROUND THAT TIME
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     @BowsacNoodle THE ILLIAD ACCOUNT IS "OH WELL THE HEROES HAVE DIED OUT AND OR KILLED EACH OTHER"
     BUT THE ILLIAD IS ALSO KIND OF DAMNING OF THESE LARGER THAN LIFE GUYS AS BASICALLY ACTING LIKE THE GODS. THE GODS ARE LIGHT-HEARTED AND THEY RUIN PEOPLE'S LIVES ON A WHIM, AND HEROES ARE ALSO LIKE THAT
     THEY'RE SO COOL AND SO STRONG AND YET LOOK AT WHAT THEY FUCKING DO -- THE ONLY THING LEFT AFTER THEM IS DEATH AND DESTRUCTION, AND ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO GO HOME AND HAVE PEACE ENDED UP WELL AFTER THE TROJAN WAR.
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     @nugger @BowsacNoodle ACHILLES WAS EDUCATED BY A CENTAUR
     HE RULES
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     @WeissenSocken88 @BowsacNoodle NO HE DOESN'T RULE
     HE GETS ABSOLUTELY FUCKED
     AND KILLS A TON OF PEOPLE IN THE PROCESS
     IT'S A HORRIBLE TRAGEDY
     ACHILLES AND HECTOR SHOULD HAVE BEEN BROTHERS BUT THE GODS HAVE ABSOLUTELY FUCKED ACHILLES
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     @nugger @BowsacNoodle Titano/gigantomachia isn't quite as universal as a great flood myth but it's a comfortable 2nd place
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     @Kang_Kong3 @nugger Attack On Bronze Age

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     @Orkin_Awk @nugger @BowsacNoodle that's what the pagans call it, but what is happening is demonic possesion.
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     @branman65 @Orkin_Awk @BowsacNoodle I THINK THE PNEUMA HE'S REFERRING TO IS NOT AS IN SOUL BUT AS IN THE "UNDERWORLD VAPORS" THE ORACLE WOULD INHALE TO FALL INTO A TRANCE AND GET POSSESSED
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     @nugger @BowsacNoodle "Demon possessed"? I thought the oracles used "pneuma"
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     @nugger @branman65 @Orkin_Awk >underworld vapors
     Oracle was getting blasted on Jenkem.
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     @nugger @branman65 @Orkin_Awk @BowsacNoodle Yes, but the specter of AI looms over it although this happened back when it was still called "machine learning" and is limited to lining up pottery shards so I'm still hopeful the archaelogical autists are in charge and not demon computer form.
     
     nytimes.com/2024/08/12/books/booksupdate/ai-ancient-tablets-gilgamesh.html
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     @branman65 @Orkin_Awk @BowsacNoodle WE DON'T REALLY KNOW, BUT ARCHAEOLOGY IS A VERY DYNAMIC AND RAPIDLY CHANGING FIELD
     
     WE MIGHT FIND AN INSCRIPTION IN STONE THAT DETAILS HOW TO MAKE THE HALLUCINATING INCENSE LITERALLY TOMORROW
     
     YOU NEVER KNOW
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     @branman65 @Orkin_Awk @BowsacNoodle HADN'T THEY FOUND ANOTHER CHUNK OF THE EPIC OF GILGAMESH LIKE LAST YEAR?
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     @nugger @Orkin_Awk @BowsacNoodle DRUGS?
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     @branman65 @Orkin_Awk @BowsacNoodle SOME PEOPLE THINK IT WAS SOME SORT OF FISSURE IN THE GROUND THAT SOME GAS ROSE FROM, OTHERS SAY IT WAS A RITUAL HALLUCINOGENIC INCENSE
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     @branman65 @nobullyplz @Orkin_Awk @BowsacNoodle WHEN YOU TALK WITH PEOPLE IRL, SURPRISE SURPRISE THEY'RE ALSO INVOLVED IN THE SAME CULTURE
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     @nobullyplz @nugger @Orkin_Awk @BowsacNoodle >LE NIGHTMARE RECTANGLE
     the horrors don't go away just because you don't have a phone.
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     @branman65 @nugger @Orkin_Awk @BowsacNoodle No I don't mean literal demons, I mean the meme version which is a schizo-ish version of saying 'bad'.
     
     I built a 4 bit computer with wires and a big breadboard. It's not magic.
     
     But fallible humans have impulses which can be negative. The use of AI has this negative impulse within it. "Oh you can trust it, it's a computer, oh you can just not understand it, it's fine, oh it's ok if it's owned by the rich and powerful they surely know better" and on and on. That's why I hope it's use is minimal and actual interested people do the bulk of the work on translation and piecing together this important bit of history.
     
     This abdication of responsibility is wrong and sinful and if it is sinful why not call it demonic for a laugh? For a bit of ye olden shock factor? Maybe I should go look in a 600 page psychology textbook and find the correct, proper, materialist term invented in the late 19th century. :akarinShrug:
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     @nobullyplz @nugger @Orkin_Awk @BowsacNoodle you can't just call stuff demonic willy nilly. do you even believe in demons or are you just some "le schizo trollge" dork?
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     @nobullyplz @nugger @Orkin_Awk @BowsacNoodle also using a tool to lighten tedious work is not demonic
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     @branman65 @nugger @Orkin_Awk @BowsacNoodle Tools are tools. Humans are fallible. I only reject the boomerist, proggy view of relativism that doesn't let you call anything bad (someone might be enjoying it, you bigot!).
     
     Looking at a person and saying "that thing you are doing is bad" is unimaginable to many people, maybe even a majority.
     
     And that is bad. :circleStare:
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     @nobullyplz @nugger @Orkin_Awk @BowsacNoodle >demon computer form
     it's just a machine. "bro computer chips are elaborate looking and demonic sigils from that hocus pocus solomon book are elaborate so technology is demonic". You know, sending bombs to innocent people, maiming and murdering them, is pretty demonic. yet these luddites never criticize Ted Kaczynski for the bloodshed he wrought, but celebrate it.
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     @branman65 @nugger @nobullyplz @Orkin_Awk Besides being a quote source for dweebs, Nietzsche's staring into the abyss quote is true. Or we can get Biblical and reference the numerous times we're told to think and focus on whatever is good. Logically, that would mean not obsessing over the wickedness our society is steeped in. We can and should be aware, but don't let it consume you. I've seen too many people who fail that.

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     @nugger @nobullyplz @Orkin_Awk @BowsacNoodle people who attack smartphones from a "LE NIGHTMARE RECTANGLE" angle don't care that our society is wicked, they just don't want to see it.
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     @branman65 @nobullyplz @nugger @Orkin_Awk Ted Kaczynski has interesting writings that were almost prophetic. I disagree with his methods and disavow them and I've done that in the past. As long as LLMs remain a mysterious black box outside the domain of knowledge and capabilities of ownership of common smart people, that should be treated as potentially compromised tech. It's the same reason I would never let an AI be a judge or judicator, which is something that was commonly advocated for by shitlibs 5+ years before chatgpt was a thing.
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     @WeissenSocken88 @BowsacNoodle IM SO MAD ABOUT IT
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     @WeissenSocken88 @BowsacNoodle " For of old, when thou wast alive, we Argives honored thee even as the gods, [485] and now that thou art here, thou rulest mightily among the dead. Wherefore grieve not at all that thou art dead, Achilles.’ “So I spoke, and he straightway made answer and said:
     ‘Nay, seek not to speak soothingly to me of death, glorious Odysseus. I should choose, so I might live on earth,8 to serve as the hireling of another, [490] of some portionless man whose livelihood was but small, rather than to be lord over all the dead that have perished. "
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