@LukeAlmighty To become involved in every aspect of your life by stepping on the sovereignty of democratically elected governments, so they get what they want and criticising it would be akin to fascism.
I remember reading that the per capita number of women killed in Japan is higher than any other first world country, so it takes into account population number
Japan is the only first world country in which women are killed more than men, so they definitely have a gender violence issue, but it is retarded to attribute that to anime
@RikaDerufu@LukeAlmighty Looking exclusively at the gender ratio of murders without looking at the total number relative to other countries is retarded.
@RikaDerufu@LukeAlmighty A quick look at homicide victims by gender on wikipedia in 2013: Japan: 59% Switzerland: 57% Austria: 57% HongKong: 53% New Zealand: 51% Latvia: 51%
It's not like Japan is a significant outlier, even if it is the worst in terms of women killed per man. They do in fact have the third lowest homicide rate worldwide based on those same numbers. So while Japan has around two murdered women per one million inhabitants, Austria has around four murdered women per one million inhabitants.
All of this is 2013 data though, so a bit outdated.
@RikaDerufu@LukeAlmighty I don't care about Italy. You made a point about Japan being a unique case, and the numbers I could find told me otherwise. In fact they told me that Japan is a safer country for women (in terms of risking homicide) than Austria.
@Jens_Rasmussen@RikaDerufu Also, more importantly, he implies, that men being killed disproportionally more is the good outcome. That is my issue with his insane "learn per capita" claim.
Men get killed more because they tend to be more violent. It's not "good" it's just what happens normally. Having a higher ratio of women being killed indicates that there is a problem against women, since the norm is the opposite
@RikaDerufu@Jens_Rasmussen I think, this retard does not understand, that percentage between 2 issues does not show, how common each of the issues are in absolute numbers.
Nigger just how fucking retarded are you? 31% of hobos in LA are women and? I'm not talking about that now and it is surely not as big of a problem as the one I'm talking about now
@RikaDerufu@LukeAlmighty 2013 data has 31% female homicide victim rate for Italy, so these numbers are even more in your favor in terms of women murdered per one million inhabitants, assuming the murder rates have stayed the same.
@RikaDerufu@LukeAlmighty >I'm not surprised they rank high on this chart THEY LITERALLY RANK THE LOWEST! I am telling you that Japan is comparable to the safest countries in Europe, not the least safe! If Japan has a problem, everyone does.
>We should also look at updated data (like the one I brought up) Give me an easy to sort through worldwide list, and I will do that.
>Austria and Germany notoriously have problems with gender based violence Since I have statistics only for homicide, that's all I can talk about, but Austria is the second safest country in Europe with more than a million inhabitants. Italy would based on this statistic have around three homicided women per one million inhabitants, still more than Japan.
Where have you taken the data? We should also look at updated data (like the one I brought up). Austria and Germany notoriously have problems with gender based violence, it doesn't matter that it's worse than Japan. All these countries, including Japan, have a problem, at least considering they are first world countries
@RikaDerufu@Jens_Rasmussen But less women are being killed. 0,3 per 100 000. You are literally complaining, that this number looks bad, because men are surviving too. That is how ratios work.
Dude you are such a waste of oxygen I swear. This problem should be solved by having LESS WOMEN killed, not by having MORE MEN killed. The fact that your nigger brain can't even think about that is shocking.
@Jens_Rasmussen@RikaDerufu The ratio matters, because he grew up in a western man-hating mindset and cannot understand, that men living is not a bad thing.
Again the problem is not the homicide rate in general but the gender distribution of homicide victims. I keep repeating that but you and the other retard don't seem to understand. Maybe you should consider getting the rope too and stop being a waste of oxygen.
@RikaDerufu@LukeAlmighty But why does the ratio matter? The question we are asking here is "Is the UN correct when they say that Japan is unsafe for women because of anime", and after that the question "Is Japan even unsafe for women at all". The answer to both questions, based on homicide rates, is "no".
@RikaDerufu@LukeAlmighty Let's take some other famous countries, and see how safe they are for women:
USA, 18%, 14 women murdered per one million pop UK, 30%, 3 women murdered per one million pop China, 22%, 2 women murdered per one million pop Russia, 25%, 23 women murdered per one million pop Romania, 38%, 6 women murdered per one million pop
Japan is as safe or safer for women than all of these countries based strictly on how often women are murdered.
AGAIN, THE PROBLEM IS THE ANOMALY IN THE GENDER DISTRIBUTION, NOT THE NUMBER AS A WHOLE. "number bad because men are surviving too" Dude nobody here is saying that men should die more apart from you
@RikaDerufu@Jens_Rasmussen Yes. It does, because you might realize, that comparing the 2 low numbers will always result in a ratio between 0 and 1, and closer you get to 0 events total, the more random the ratio becomes.
Well, you would get it, if this entire conversation wasn't powered by your hatred of men.
@RikaDerufu@LukeAlmighty It is given that violent crime is a near-zero factor, it makes sense that women are murdered more than men. This is because all the murderers you have left are insane people and assassins, the latter being effectively a non-factor. When it comes to being attacked insane people, it is definitely easier for a man to defend himself, given his superior phyical strength, than it is for a woman.
Assuming that the mentally deranged attack men and women at a similar rate, it adds up that men survive these encounters about 25% more often than women. To think that there is a culture of "kill all women" in the mind of all the mentally stable Japanese men is crazy, that stuff is reserved for Koreans.
The ratio matters because it means there's higher hatred against women compared to other countries. It is an ANOMALY. Given how japanese culture is it's understandable that there are less homicides as a whole, but the anomaly in the gender distribution is still concerning imo. If you think there is no problem in having women getting killed more than men (in this case it's almost +10%) you should stop larping as a trad. And again, I said multiple times that anime are not a problem here.
@Jens_Rasmussen@RikaDerufu Exactly. On the other side, you have violent gang wars, where nearly 100% of participants are men, and therefore, the ratio is "fixed" for this nutjob.
they've also had a lot of guest workers from across the far east and beyond for a lot longer than people want to admit, and annoying sexpats from everywhere seeking out Japanese prostitutes.
Foreigners playing a role in this could be an explanation. It's more reasonable than just imagining Japan having such a big crazy men problem that this causes women to get killed more
The point is that the gender imbalance in homicide rate is an anomaly and it means that japanese men might have more problems with women than men from other countries. It could be explained with Japs being affected by mental illness more often, but I think it's more cultural.
@RikaDerufu@LukeAlmighty Those people are still mentally unwell otherwise they would not attemot killing their female relatives or girlfriends, unless the murders were justified of course, but we don't know if they were.
@RikaDerufu@LukeAlmighty What do you mean? The fact that the murder rate is among the lowest in the world confirms the first part about violent crime being a near-zero factor. As for who kills people other then criminals; who else but those who cannot control themselves? Normal people committing elaborate murder like in a crime novel or show is practically non-existent.
Those who suffer inability to control their emotions or are inherently evil attacking men and women at an equal rate is just an assumption, but it would make sense, given the numbers.
I mean data about who is killing these women. Your point would be proven if most of these women were killed by mentally ill strangers. But if most women are killed by family relatives, friends, husbands or boyfriends etc then your explanation doesn't hold up that much.
@RikaDerufu@Jens_Rasmussen As I said before, (and you confirmed this), 0.3 is insanely low number of murdered women. We also both confirmed, that (0.3 per 100 000) is an insanely low number for murdered men.
So, if you see an issue, that both numbers are the same exact insanely low.... I am sorry, but there is no other way of reading it, then that you want one of the numbers to be higher.
Low murder rate is good. That goes for both men and women.
@RikaDerufu@Jens_Rasmussen You literally compared about a ratio. You confirmed several times, that your issue is, that the ratio is close to 50:50.
But even at a 0:0, the ratio would still be 50:50. I am not arguing in bad faith, I am just seriously telling you, that you chose one of the safest countries in the world to complain about being too dangerous, based on a ratio, that is "high" only because it's safe for both sexes.
I assume it's a messy mix of Japan being still very "trad" and on the counterpart having more extreme expressions of feminism (like SK) that causes a lot of tension between the genders
@RikaDerufu@mischievoustomato@LukeAlmighty If the few murders that do happen are politically motivated, and not motivated by insanity or loss of emotional control, why are more than half of victims family members of the murderer?
I would assume it's the same of what happens in Italy but at a lower ratio for women in that country. Men are still culturally attached to the idea that they have to control the life of the women in their family (wife, daughter etc), and at the same time these women want to embrace modernity and the more extreme version of feminism that country like SK are experiencing. This causes resentment so these men end up killing them, because asian still have a deep feeling of shame regarding their family. I think the gender imbalance is worse on countries like Japan in SK because there the culture is way more controlling over women, so men are gonna react worse to the effect of feminism and women emancipation.
If you edit the anime part out you are only left with "I killed my daughter" which doesn't tell anything. I would think it's"I killed my daughter because I can't accept that she will bring shame to my family by not marrying the guy I chose for her, choosing the education I chose for her etc". In case of husbands/boyfriends I would assume it's a "I killed my wife/gf because she left after she discovered that I'm cheating"
@RikaDerufu@LukeAlmighty@mischievoustomato So you think the quote is accurate if the part about anime is edited out? You do realise that fewer Japanese women per capita get killed than Italian ones, right?
@RikaDerufu@mischievoustomato@Jens_Rasmussen But you complained about this one too. It was your original thesis, and you told me to learn the meaning of per capita, when I said, that this ratio looked ok to me.
I am seriously trying to get to what your thesis actually is.
@RikaDerufu@LukeAlmighty@Jens_Rasmussen Where did I blame women? I simply propose that since per capita women do not get murdered more in Japan than in the rest of the civilised world, but that only their proportion of murder victims in Japan is higher than it is in the rest of the world the Japanese do not have unusual violence against women, but unusual peace towards men.
Do I have to draw a chart or do you understand it like that? I'm not the best at explaining in words.
@RikaDerufu@LukeAlmighty@mischievoustomato >Arranged marriages are way more common in Asia, you should know that They are about as rare as murders these days, at least in Japan. It's not the 20th century anymore.
>I literally said multiple time that an effect of this is the extremist expression of feminism in more trad countries Online discourse has come a long way if "extremist expression of feminism" is not wanting an arranged marriage and not getting the education that your parents would wish that you'd get.
>And women can cheat too of course, but it's more normalized and expected from men in Japan What do you base that on? As far as I know it is equally expected of men and women to cheat.
>You are arguing in bad faith and keep trying to prove a point that you don't have Liar. I am arguing in good faith that Japan is a safe country for women and that women who get killed in Japan are generally unfortunate victims of someone who is insane or evil, rather than victims of some anti-feminist culture. You have done nothing to prove the contrary, all the numbers and theories presented so far back up my arguments.
@RikaDerufu@LukeAlmighty@mischievoustomato >If you edit the anime part out you are only left with "I killed my daughter" If you remove the anime part from "My daughter is a feminist, so I killed her because anime told me to" you get "My daughter is a feminist, so I killed her", stop lying. You are also not addressing the "every Japanese man says this", so I am assuming you wrongly believe that every Japanese woman lives under fear of death if she does not go into an arranged marriage or get into medical/law school. >I killed my wife/gf because she left after she discovered that I'm cheating No concept of "I killed her because she was cheating on me", because women are always innocent, right?
Arranged marriages are way more common in Asia, you should know that. And again I never said all japanese women live under fear. I'm also not saying that women are all innocent, I literally said multiple time that an effect of this is the extremist expression of feminism in more trad countries. And women can cheat too of course, but it's more normalized and expected from men in Japan. It's not mostly women the ones who are pay cash money to date high schoolers.
You are arguing in bad faith and keep trying to prove a point that you don't have. I'm sick tired of you.