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DSMC HAS MOVED! everyone join #bunker @0 @9 @f0x @syzygy @threat @dcc @styx @p @Merc @Tony @nyanide @coolboymew
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@ins0mniak @0 @9 @Merc @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @pernia @styx @syzygy @threat
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@p @dcc @Tony @pernia @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew
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@Merc @0 @9 @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @pernia @styx @syzygy @threat :9front:
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@p @dcc @Tony @pernia @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew bruh
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@pernia @dcc @Tony @p @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew how do I join irc
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@Merc @pernia @0 @9 @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @styx @syzygy @threat You have to download Plan 9 and then install irc7. Here are my patches:
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@0 @9 @Merc @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @pernia @styx @syzygy @threat
> 22:26 <+MercurialBlack> irc is killing my computer
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@p @dcc @Tony @pernia @Merc @nyanide @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew
you have op in dsmc
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@pernia @nyanide @0 @9 @Merc @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat What, I have op?
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@nyanide @dcc @Tony @p @Merc @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew i gave everyone op doe
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@pernia @dcc @Tony @p @Merc @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew u gave me voice not op lol
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@nyanide @0 @9 @Merc @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @p @styx @syzygy @threat kird unban me
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@nyanide @dcc @Tony @p @Merc @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew lmfao fucking hell
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@pernia @dcc @Tony @p @Merc @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew he figured it out look in da channel
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@Merc @dcc @Tony @p @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew yea maybe u gotta change ur config to sasl or somthn
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@pernia @dcc @Tony @p @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew It says I need to register but I already have, kirby says I need to do some sasl shit
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@pernia @dcc @Tony @p @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew How do I log back in after being kicked out
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@Merc @dcc @Tony @p @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew do a /join #room
unless u were banned unjustly then u cant
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@0 @dcc @Tony @pernia @p @nyanide @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew fuckk
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@Merc @dcc @Tony @p @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew merc u raped the entire server with that droptable
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@Merc @dcc @Tony @pernia @p @nyanide @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew
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@Merc @0 @9 @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @pernia @styx @syzygy @threat
22:53:28 QUIT (MercurialBlack) Ping timeout: 2m30s
22:53:32 (#dsmc) <⇐ MercurialBlack: If IRC is heavy, you gotta get a better client. Almost all of them is
22:53:36 (#dsmc) <⇐ goddammit
22:53:41 (#dsmc) kirby → is WHAT!!!!!!!!!!
22:53:45 (#dsmc) kirby → WHAT IS IT!!?!?!?!/111
22:53:49 (#dsmc) syzygy → ur mum
22:53:53 (#dsmc) kirby → :O
22:53:57 (#dsmc) syzygy → :)
22:54:04 (#dsmc) <⇐ I was gonna tell him that they are almost all lightweight and pernis gave him the fluoride client.
22:54:10 (#dsmc) <⇐ BUT HE LEFT
22:54:15 (#dsmc) kirby → no he timed out lol
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@p @dcc @Tony @pernia @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew fucker is mining crypto or some shit fan goes cuckoo
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@pernia @0 @9 @Merc @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @styx @syzygy @threat I already recommended irc7, and now that that's out of the way, irssi is the 1337 one and finch is the one that's actually easy to use. Hexchat my ass, man.
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@p @dcc @Tony @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew i bet this nigger was gonna recommend some suckless client nobody knows how to set up
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/msg NickServ REGISTER password email
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@Tony @dcc @pernia @p @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew It says I have to be registered to join the channel :blobcatcry:
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@Tony @dcc @pernia @p @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew Fuck. Hexchat no workie. Guess you're spared for now~~
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how is it not working?
but im not going to coach you through this. A real furry could figure it out
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It's okay, im just saying
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idk, you're a gay furry
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@Tony @dcc @pernia @p @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew Stop calling me gay. It hurts my feelings.
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@Tony @dcc @pernia @p @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew Can I come in? I'm horny and want to ERP
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It's literally just me and you
I feel unsafe
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I JOINED THE CHAT BUT NO ONE IS TALKING TO ME
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@Tony @dcc @p @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew wrong chat tony, party's over at #bunker
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ugh, i don't have it downloaded on my new OS yet
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@Tony @dcc @pernia @p @Merc @nyanide @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew
join irc tony, come idle w us
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@pernia @dcc @Tony @p @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @threat @coolboymew
Like what you do?
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perns gets owned
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@p @dcc @Tony @Forestofenchantment @pernia @Merc @nyanide @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew
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@Forestofenchantment @dcc @Tony @pernia @p @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @threat @coolboymew
No hexchat users please, we have enough shit for brains in this channel already
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@syzygy @Forestofenchantment @0 @9 @Merc @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @pernia @styx @threat
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@pernia @0 @9 @Merc @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @styx @syzygy @threat AOL sued the gaim devs to kill the project, eventually they settled for removing all references to AOL from the project, including renaming it from "gaim" to "pidgin". I think there was a name between those two, like it was called something else for a while, but it wasn't for very long.
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@pernia @0 @9 @Merc @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @styx @syzygy @threat finch is ncurses pidgin. pidgin is not a server, so there are no clients; finch is just another frontend to libpurple (which is also not a server), pidgin is the gtk one. It was called "gaim" back in the day but part of their agreement after the lawsuit was that they remove all references to the old name.
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@p @dcc @Tony @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew ah ic. what lawsuit? thats some lore i didnt know
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@p @dcc @Tony @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew never heard of finch. is that pidgin client or is it somethin else?
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@DiamondMind @0 @9 @Ashurbanipal @Darbzilla @Folklore @Leyonhjelm @Merc @NonPlayableClown @Terry @Tony @Waerloga @Zergling_man @colonelj @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @lainbot @mint @nyanide @pernia @styx @sun @syzygy @thebitchisback @threat
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@p @0 @9 @Ashurbanipal @Darbzilla @Folklore @Leyonhjelm @Merc @NonPlayableClown @Terry @Tony @Waerloga @Zergling_man @colonelj @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @lainbot @mint @nyanide @pernia @styx @sun @syzygy @thebitchisback @threat excuse me, while I kiss the sky!
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¶×§¶¶¶¶ ayy lmao _—––——–—–2̷̧̡̨̢̢̨̢̡̨̧̧͈̪̖͖̺͎̥̗̘͍̦͈̤̠̯̰͙̼̩̜̜͈͚̦̼̳̫͙͙̥̫̝̪͖̹̞̳̠̗̟͖̭̪̯̗̰̭̰͓͔͔̠͇̟̘̰͖͕̪̯͚̣̻̗͖̖͖̜̼̬̰̣̜͔̗̮͖̼̩̠̫̝̼̝̫̣͕͓̥̞͈̰̯̳͔͇̖̻̘̰͎̺̫̮̥͓̤͎̳̪̦̼̼̜̯̜̖͚̟̻̜̼͎̟̯̪̞̙̩̼͚̤̬̱̤͎̙̪͕̝̘̻̗͔̼̩͈̦̬͍͉͚̿͊̾̋̈́̃͊͊̆̓̆̎̿̀̉̉̊̈́̎̑̚͘͜͜͜͝͝͠͝͝ͅͅ9̷̢̨̢̧̡̨̨̛̞͈̻͚̬͙̳̫̠͈̦͙̜̪̜͇̣̱̥͉̞̬̗͖̗̤̗̺̱͖͈͙̝͍͙̼̮̬̠̻̥͓͈͍̻̠̙̜̬̱͔̝̞̹̤̙̘͓͇̦̙͖͖͕͙͈̝͙͙̗̖̤͙̙̘͔̝̗͎̹̖̮̫̗̞̠̹̩͎̱̤͍͙͐̏̊̈́͊̇͗̈́͊̉̿͑̏̏̿͂͌̈̓́̽̏̈͗̓͆̌̃͊͌̊́͂͐̌͂́͒̓̈́̀̒̋́̇͆̃̒̃̍̑̿̋͌̓̓̕͘̕̚̕͜͜͜͜͜͝͝͝͝ͅͅ
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¶×§¶¶¶¶ ayy lmao _—––——–—–2̷̧̡̨̢̢̨̢̡̨̧̧͈̪̖͖̺͎̥̗̘͍̦͈̤̠̯̰͙̼̩̜̜͈͚̦̼̳̫͙͙̥̫̝̪͖̹̞̳̠̗̟͖̭̪̯̗̰̭̰͓͔͔̠͇̟̘̰͖͕̪̯͚̣̻̗͖̖͖̜̼̬̰̣̜͔̗̮͖̼̩̠̫̝̼̝̫̣͕͓̥̞͈̰̯̳͔͇̖̻̘̰͎̺̫̮̥͓̤͎̳̪̦̼̼̜̯̜̖͚̟̻̜̼͎̟̯̪̞̙̩̼͚̤̬̱̤͎̙̪͕̝̘̻̗͔̼̩͈̦̬͍͉͚̿͊̾̋̈́̃͊͊̆̓̆̎̿̀̉̉̊̈́̎̑̚͘͜͜͜͝͝͠͝͝ͅͅ9̷̢̨̢̧̡̨̨̛̞͈̻͚̬͙̳̫̠͈̦͙̜̪̜͇̣̱̥͉̞̬̗͖̗̤̗̺̱͖͈͙̝͍͙̼̮̬̠̻̥͓͈͍̻̠̙̜̬̱͔̝̞̹̤̙̘͓͇̦̙͖͖͕͙͈̝͙͙̗̖̤͙̙̘͔̝̗͎̹̖̮̫̗̞̠̹̩͎̱̤͍͙͐̏̊̈́͊̇͗̈́͊̉̿͑̏̏̿͂͌̈̓́̽̏̈͗̓͆̌̃͊͌̊́͂͐̌͂́͒̓̈́̀̒̋́̇͆̃̒̃̍̑̿̋͌̓̓̕͘̕̚̕͜͜͜͜͜͝͝͝͝ͅͅ
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¶×§¶¶¶¶ ayy lmao _—––——–—–2̷̧̡̨̢̢̨̢̡̨̧̧͈̪̖͖̺͎̥̗̘͍̦͈̤̠̯̰͙̼̩̜̜͈͚̦̼̳̫͙͙̥̫̝̪͖̹̞̳̠̗̟͖̭̪̯̗̰̭̰͓͔͔̠͇̟̘̰͖͕̪̯͚̣̻̗͖̖͖̜̼̬̰̣̜͔̗̮͖̼̩̠̫̝̼̝̫̣͕͓̥̞͈̰̯̳͔͇̖̻̘̰͎̺̫̮̥͓̤͎̳̪̦̼̼̜̯̜̖͚̟̻̜̼͎̟̯̪̞̙̩̼͚̤̬̱̤͎̙̪͕̝̘̻̗͔̼̩͈̦̬͍͉͚̿͊̾̋̈́̃͊͊̆̓̆̎̿̀̉̉̊̈́̎̑̚͘͜͜͜͝͝͠͝͝ͅͅ9̷̢̨̢̧̡̨̨̛̞͈̻͚̬͙̳̫̠͈̦͙̜̪̜͇̣̱̥͉̞̬̗͖̗̤̗̺̱͖͈͙̝͍͙̼̮̬̠̻̥͓͈͍̻̠̙̜̬̱͔̝̞̹̤̙̘͓͇̦̙͖͖͕͙͈̝͙͙̗̖̤͙̙̘͔̝̗͎̹̖̮̫̗̞̠̹̩͎̱̤͍͙͐̏̊̈́͊̇͗̈́͊̉̿͑̏̏̿͂͌̈̓́̽̏̈͗̓͆̌̃͊͌̊́͂͐̌͂́͒̓̈́̀̒̋́̇͆̃̒̃̍̑̿̋͌̓̓̕͘̕̚̕͜͜͜͜͜͝͝͝͝ͅͅ
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¶×§¶¶¶¶ ayy lmao _—––——–—–2̷̧̡̨̢̢̨̢̡̨̧̧͈̪̖͖̺͎̥̗̘͍̦͈̤̠̯̰͙̼̩̜̜͈͚̦̼̳̫͙͙̥̫̝̪͖̹̞̳̠̗̟͖̭̪̯̗̰̭̰͓͔͔̠͇̟̘̰͖͕̪̯͚̣̻̗͖̖͖̜̼̬̰̣̜͔̗̮͖̼̩̠̫̝̼̝̫̣͕͓̥̞͈̰̯̳͔͇̖̻̘̰͎̺̫̮̥͓̤͎̳̪̦̼̼̜̯̜̖͚̟̻̜̼͎̟̯̪̞̙̩̼͚̤̬̱̤͎̙̪͕̝̘̻̗͔̼̩͈̦̬͍͉͚̿͊̾̋̈́̃͊͊̆̓̆̎̿̀̉̉̊̈́̎̑̚͘͜͜͜͝͝͠͝͝ͅͅ9̷̢̨̢̧̡̨̨̛̞͈̻͚̬͙̳̫̠͈̦͙̜̪̜͇̣̱̥͉̞̬̗͖̗̤̗̺̱͖͈͙̝͍͙̼̮̬̠̻̥͓͈͍̻̠̙̜̬̱͔̝̞̹̤̙̘͓͇̦̙͖͖͕͙͈̝͙͙̗̖̤͙̙̘͔̝̗͎̹̖̮̫̗̞̠̹̩͎̱̤͍͙͐̏̊̈́͊̇͗̈́͊̉̿͑̏̏̿͂͌̈̓́̽̏̈͗̓͆̌̃͊͌̊́͂͐̌͂́͒̓̈́̀̒̋́̇͆̃̒̃̍̑̿̋͌̓̓̕͘̕̚̕͜͜͜͜͜͝͝͝͝ͅͅ
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¶×§¶¶¶¶ ayy lmao _—––——–—–2̷̧̡̨̢̢̨̢̡̨̧̧͈̪̖͖̺͎̥̗̘͍̦͈̤̠̯̰͙̼̩̜̜͈͚̦̼̳̫͙͙̥̫̝̪͖̹̞̳̠̗̟͖̭̪̯̗̰̭̰͓͔͔̠͇̟̘̰͖͕̪̯͚̣̻̗͖̖͖̜̼̬̰̣̜͔̗̮͖̼̩̠̫̝̼̝̫̣͕͓̥̞͈̰̯̳͔͇̖̻̘̰͎̺̫̮̥͓̤͎̳̪̦̼̼̜̯̜̖͚̟̻̜̼͎̟̯̪̞̙̩̼͚̤̬̱̤͎̙̪͕̝̘̻̗͔̼̩͈̦̬͍͉͚̿͊̾̋̈́̃͊͊̆̓̆̎̿̀̉̉̊̈́̎̑̚͘͜͜͜͝͝͠͝͝ͅͅ9̷̢̨̢̧̡̨̨̛̞͈̻͚̬͙̳̫̠͈̦͙̜̪̜͇̣̱̥͉̞̬̗͖̗̤̗̺̱͖͈͙̝͍͙̼̮̬̠̻̥͓͈͍̻̠̙̜̬̱͔̝̞̹̤̙̘͓͇̦̙͖͖͕͙͈̝͙͙̗̖̤͙̙̘͔̝̗͎̹̖̮̫̗̞̠̹̩͎̱̤͍͙͐̏̊̈́͊̇͗̈́͊̉̿͑̏̏̿͂͌̈̓́̽̏̈͗̓͆̌̃͊͌̊́͂͐̌͂́͒̓̈́̀̒̋́̇͆̃̒̃̍̑̿̋͌̓̓̕͘̕̚̕͜͜͜͜͜͝͝͝͝ͅͅ
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@p @0 @9 @Merc @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @pernia @styx @syzygy @threat @Ashurbanipal @Darbzilla @Folklore @Leyonhjelm @NonPlayableClown @Terry @Waerloga @Zergling_man @colonelj @lainbot @mint @p @sun @thebitchisback and laos fuck Jesus too
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@syzygy @Tony @0 @9 @Merc @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @pernia @styx @threat f r e a k y
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and laos fuck Jesus too @p @syzygy @0 @9 @Merc @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @pernia @styx @threat a
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@Tony @dcc @pernia @p @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @threat @coolboymew
You know how it is
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@pernia @0 @9 @Merc @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @styx @syzygy @threat pidgin does everything and has OTR.
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@p @dcc @Tony @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew alright FUCK i didnt know pdigin did irc
merc use pdiing
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@pernia @0 @9 @Merc @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @styx @syzygy @threat Then give him pidgin. gat DAME pernis, don't give him Hexchat.
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@p @dcc @Tony @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew i dont think he cares for TUI clients regardless. maybe i'm wrong.
am i, merc? would u prefer to be a cool haxxor on irssi?
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@pernia @0 @9 @Merc @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @styx @syzygy @threat He will definitely not care if you give him the shitty clients.
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@pernia @0 @9 @Merc @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @styx @syzygy @threat Don't give him the normie one, give him the good shit, we like Merc.
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@p @dcc @Tony @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew i dont think merc cares enough about it
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@p @dcc @Tony @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew thats the only normie one i know
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@pernia @0 @9 @Merc @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @styx @syzygy @threat Hexchat is a gallon of fluoride, man.
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@p @0 @9 @Merc @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @styx @syzygy @threat irssi and catgirl are good console clients if u need something lightweight and uncomplicated
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@coolboymew @0 @9 @Merc @Tony @dcc @f0x @nyanide @pernia @styx @syzygy @threat Apparently ICQ still exists.
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@p @dcc @Tony @pernia @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat it was really popular in the us
You know what's funny? The really old version without ads worked almost until the end of aim
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@pernia @0 @9 @Merc @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @styx @syzygy @threat AIM was really popular for a while, it was like Slack. So your options were install the :aol: one and have a bunch of browser toolbars on your Windows machine or just run gaim.
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@p @dcc @Tony @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew Jesus that sucks. was the proyect infringing on copyright from AOL? why would they wanna kill it? cuz if its for competition any irc client could beat AOL no?
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@pernia @0 @9 @Merc @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @styx @syzygy @threat I think bitlbee supports it and when I get my idiot bitlbee setup back in the thing, I'll probably poke at that again.
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@p @dcc @Tony @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew yea it always seemed jank to me
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@p @dcc @Tony @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew otr is pedophile
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@pernia @0 @9 @Merc @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @styx @syzygy @threat I don't think so. It is such a pain in the ass that I don't use it and I'm an adult.
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@pernia @0 @9 @Merc @Tony @coolboymew @dcc @f0x @nyanide @styx @syzygy @threat
> icq was p2p right?
Not really. Sorta, in that all connections were direct instead of going through a server, but you logged in using their servers. Back in The Day, when you connected your machine to the internet, there wasn't a NAT, you were just connected to the internet, so you open a port and that port is open.
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@coolboymew @0 @9 @Merc @Tony @dcc @f0x @nyanide @pernia @styx @syzygy @threat I never had trouble with the spambots, but I was only online at night (dialup) so I'd get Malaysian kids using the random chat feature. I had a bunch of random Malaysian friends.
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@p @dcc @Tony @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat @coolboymew icq was p2p right? it had a wierd architecture, i rember reading abt it
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@p @dcc @Tony @pernia @Merc @nyanide @0 @9 @f0x @styx @syzygy @threat I know. It's nuts. ICQ was one of the first, and one of the first to be massively ditched as even back then it was full of spambots
Can't believe it's still running