Roni Laukkarinen
[Allegedly] [...] Meta is delaying Fediverse support for European Union Threads users due to the Digital Markets Act, which (for better or worse) complicates launching new technologies within the European Market for non-European companies.
https://darnell.day/threads-ignores-european-union-allows-everyone-else-to-embrace-fediverse
BeAware :fediverse:
@rolle its GDPR.
Their employees have said such things on their profiles when it's discussed.🤷♂️
I definitely see why it could be problematic. EU tends to "not fuck around" when it comes to GDPR and making sure data deletion requests are adhered to.
Threads is legally obligated to ensure the deletion of data that's requested for deletion and they can't possibly ensure that with Fediverse platforms like Pleroma having MRF policies to deny delete requests...😬🤦♂️
BeAware :fediverse:
@Dragon @rolle I'm not a lawyer, nor do I live in the EU. So I cannot discuss that nuance. I can only say what I've seen them say regarding the topic.🤷♂️
You'd have to reach them or an EU lawyer to inquire about such things.
Dragon
@BeAware @rolle surely that’s not threads problem though as long as they comply by deleting their copy of the data and made it abundantly clear how federating works.
BeAware :fediverse:
@CWSmith @rolle well, then both are true?
The employees probably won't lie about legalities, so there's probably multiple hurdles like this to figure out.
C.W. Smith
No, this is different and is a major issue for Foss project within the EU. Been hearing about it a lot from the Linux podcast I listen to.
It basically makes it so Tech companies are liable for anything that happens on their platforms or any security breaches attributed to their software. And for Meta or even projects providing key libraries and programs for Linux this could be bad.
Justin Ferriman
@rolle Serious question: are ppl really using threads actively? I remember it taking off initially, then dying (in terms of active users) fairly quickly.
BeAware :fediverse:
@justinf @rolle when did it die?
It's the most active social media platform currently and has been for a few months now.
It's never died. Not sure where you saw that being said.🤷♂️
BeAware :fediverse:
@justinf @rolle depends on if algorithms feeding you posts that you're completely uninterested in, is worth it to you.
That's pretty much the only big difference besides the amount of people to engage with.
It's still very hard to get actual engagement on your own posts unless you're talking to the algorithm.
I prefer to talk to people, not the algorithm. That's why I'm here and will stay here until Mastodon eventually completely takes over. Then I'm out. But I'm here till then.
Justin Ferriman
@rolle @BeAware Well dang. Makes me wonder if threads is actually worth it, though a part of me hates using *yet another* big tech social media platform.
Roni Laukkarinen
@justinf @BeAware https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/3/24191074/meta-threads-users-mark-zuckerberg
Roni Laukkarinen
@justinf @BeAware I feel like it's thriving. No signs of dying or slowing down in any given moment.
Naturally the news narrative for Mastodon and Threads is always "dying" or "not attractive" because it's not TikTok or whatever the most popular one is today.
Justin Ferriman
@BeAware @rolle "dying", not died. But yeah, that's a broad term. I guess my understanding was that it wasn't growing really - but suppose I was wrong.
Roni Laukkarinen
BeAware :fediverse:
@antont @rolle my guess is that EU officials don't know how Fediverse and Mastodon work because yeah, it's too small currently.
Also could be legally okay and threads is portraying it incorrectly. I don't know for certain.
Toni Alatalo
@BeAware @rolle so how is that not a problem for Mastodon gGmbH and everyone else hosting instances? They are small enough to be under EU’s radar?
BeAware :fediverse:
@echo_pbreyer @troed@sangberg.se @CWSmith @rolle I have discussed it with employees and they've said GDPR specifically🤷♂️
It could be several things at the same time though.
Patrick Breyer
@troed @CWSmith @BeAware @rolle It would probably be easiest to ask Meta about it, or reach out to a current MEP for tabling a written question on this. I can't imagine this is a show-stopper.
Troed Sångberg
The EU are quite pro-FOSS so I do have my doubts about that generalization. Might @echo_pbreyer have any insight perhaps?
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