@sun The shills understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of this coin, to realise that it is not just speculation - it says something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Bitcoin truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the brilliance in Satoshi’s brilliant programming method - the “Blockchain,” which itself is a cryptic reference to Haber and Stornetta's Merkle trees.
@sun To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Bitcoin. Its future applications are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of computing and economics most of its possible functions will go over a typical investor’s head. There’s also Sitoshis’s free market outlook, which is deftly woven into his creation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Robert Malthus, for instance.
@sun you don't understand it's le digital gold it's not supposed to be easy to use!!! >this shit is a failure all grypto yes but a political/legislative failure more so than technological
@sun It's not hard at all to use bitcoin - you just punch in the receiving address and the amount and press send (whoops, the transaction fee is larger than the amount you want to send).
@Zergling_man It's called using a decent domain registrar like Njalla where you can pay in Monero or bitcoin, no questions asked or demands to dox yourself.
@jeffcliff@thegreatape 99% of the regular problems I have with crypto are a direct result of the US government but in this case it's lightning network stuff not working right
@p Bitcoin is free software, but it's not really practical for many usages due to the high transaction fee and the lightning workaround seems broken.
Monero is free software as well and is much more practical, as it has tiny transaction fees, plus it has the benefit of transactions being private.
Cash respects your freedom as well, although the serial numbers do allow a limited ability to spy on your transactions (every bank seems to use a serial number scanner in the note counter).
@jeffcliff@sun@thegreatape when the drug markets switched to monero and not lignthing, that was proof that the adults in the room can't do anything serious with bitcoin anymore. bitcoin degraded into a useless retarded pet goldfish.
@sun@jeffcliff@thegreatape bitcoin maximalists are all lying scum. the lightning network doesn't work and it is never going to work without demolishing self-custody and turning the whole thing into venmo.
@p >Not just the software, the entire system: it's an open protocol that people can revise. You can fork the entire system, move to a different genesis block. Software is the thing that implements the protocol.
There is a protocol whitepaper, but it's really mostly documented via source code.
As it's free software, people can change the software and therefore change the protocol.
Moving to a different genesis block requires a software modification.
>Sure, yeah; it is nice but it's harder to make use of. Yes, governments have gone and tried to limit Monero by making it hard to acquire in exchanges, but once you get it, it's very easy to make use of.
>It does not: it is issued by a central authority. You don't need to run proprietary software to receive or make use of cash.
Not just the software, the entire system: it's an open protocol that people can revise. You can fork the entire system, move to a different genesis block. Practicality is one thing; this is a matter of freedom.
> Monero is free software as well and is much more practical, as it has tiny transaction fees, plus it has the benefit of transactions being private.
Sure, yeah; it is nice but it's harder to make use of.
@sun Cryp.... what? I still use pieces of paper while shopping, just because I can.
I had lightning wallet, but they somewhat stole all my assets which I was able to collect from Nostr as zaps, about 1.4 €. So, I think I will stick with my pieces of paper still.
> There is a protocol whitepaper, but it's really mostly documented via source code.
Well, sure, but there's a process for community-driven protocol changes. No one can force anything, BCH forks off from BTC, etc. It's not just open, it's open all the way to the bottom.
> You don't need to run proprietary software to receive or make use of cash.
The issue with proprietary software is that you cannot modify it: you cannot make it do what you want, and you are beholden to an external authority that controls the software and dictates acceptable use. Cash is no different.
@p >The issue with proprietary software is that you cannot modify it: you cannot make it do what you want, and you are beholden to an external authority that controls the software and dictates acceptable use That is one issue of proprietary software, but there is many more.
>Cash is no different. Although the government may attempt to restrict how cash is used, they have issues enforcing such in practice - as you can send only so many glowers to physically carry out the restrictions.
Meanwhile, proprietary software is usually self-restricting due to the absence of source code and impracticability of performing anything but trivial changes, due to the requirement of how reverse engineering and then patching the binaries is required to make any modification - with the result being evidence of copyright infringement performed, very much unlike a discrete cash transaction you made with your buddy that nobody else knows about.
> That is one issue of proprietary software, but there is many more.
That's the central problem; the rest would not be problems if this problem didn't exist.
> Although the government may attempt to restrict how cash is used, they have issues enforcing such in practice - as you can send only so many glowers to physically carry out the restrictions.
The BSA can't stop people from pirating software but that doesn't mean that there's no real difference between gimp and pirated Photoshop. Green is my pepper.
You cannot modify cash. Modifying cash is illegal. You cannot do with it what you please, it can be legally seized, at any point you may be required to account for its presence or absence or face jail time. It is the property of the government; it is proprietary, that's the definition. Exactly like pirated software, the BSA isn't going to kick down your door for having pirated Photoshop and the government isn't going to invoke asset forfeiture laws to take $100 out of your pocket, but you do not have the freedom. Gold and other commodities fit the bill, Bitcoin and other voluntary currency systems fit the bill, cash is a note from the government. free_software_alternatives.jpg
@Zergling_man@realman543@Suiseiseki Nostr isn't content-addressed, relays are a stupid bottleneck, it will never be fast. It sucks in exactly the same ways I said it would suck before anyone used it and it will continue to suck in those ways because of the basic design. It cannot be fixed; you can't speed up a blimp by revising it until it is a jet.
I don't know what Manyverse is, but:
> I still have not heard p explain the technical differences
@Zergling_man@Suiseiseki@p To be clear, I wasn't suggesting Revolver for everything, but it's basic concept at least in theory would prevent the need for a centralized TLD infrastructure in the first place. To be frank, something like this probably already exists. And then of course there's IPFS.
@realman543@p@Suiseiseki >something like this probably already exists. I still have not heard p explain the technical differences between revolver, manyverse and nostr.
@Zergling_man@Suiseiseki Honestly there are always going to be niggers. Structuring the internet as a whole around this axiom has caused far more problems than just telling Tyrone to buy CD-ROMs and fuck off to his inner city shithole.
Again, I've never been able to solve the problem of IP resolving domains, so I don't have all the answers here, but seems a hell of a lot better than having Tracy at HR give you a "sorry Chud" message because you posted the nigger word.
@Zergling_man@Suiseiseki And actually, now that I think about it, something like Revolver might be the answer here. @p are there any programs or protocols that you can use to avoid the centralized TLD problem?
Anyway, the idea of DNS being first come, first served seems nice in theory but 1) potential race-condition and 2) reminder of parked domains, fault of jews/jeets. I guess if you just allow an infinite number of TLDs, ie. everyone basically picks a username which acts as a namespace, you might be able to win that fight. Might.
@Zergling_man@Suiseiseki I know some have the pleasure of just being able to like unplug/replug their modem or a short 5 minute call to their ISP to get a new IP but there are plenty that won't let you or give you only a certain amount of resets (and this varies widely).
@realman543@Suiseiseki That sounds like something else. opennic is basically just an agreement to resolve extra domains outside of ICANN's jurisdiction. And seems to have been abandoned.
@Zergling_man@Suiseiseki Well tbqh we shouldn't even need additional protocols. If I want to name my server "kickherinthepus.sy" I should just be able to do that in a config file and if someone else had it first whatever program/OS I am using should complain at me.
TBQF I'd be willing to go back to straight IP resolving, but there's issues with privacy and whatnot with that that I don't really know how to resolve.
I recall there being issues around getting an OpenNIC server to talk to servers outside the protocol without a normalweb nameserver? I should look into this.
@realman543@Suiseiseki >Also they are owned by Alphabet? njalla? Not that I know of, but it wouldn't be surprising.
>Everyone? Yes. It's a real TLD, and I want to register ヰ.みんな. Which is technically invalid (second-level domains there must be >=3 characters), but porkbun doesn't correctly enforce this.
@realman543@Suiseiseki >Njalla requires JavaScript to work properly. It's pretty much just that. I should actually try moving my stuff to them; as much as I can. They don't support .みんな, likely a deliberate choice since it's owned by jewgle, so not really useful to me at this moment.
@Zergling_man@Suiseiseki So far I haven't been stopped because scary Tor and there isn't cuckflare AFAIK. Are there any specific issues or is it a usability thing?
@p >You cannot modify cash. Modifying cash is illegal. Only attempting to spend modified cash is illegal.
You're free to shred up your cash if you want to or write on it just as long as you don't try to spend the modified versions.
>The BSA can't stop people from pirating software Piracy is theft and murder with the help of a boat, which has no relevance to software.
The BSA can and does prevent many small and medium-sized businesses from getting away from using prohibited copies of software, as they have the habit of demanding "license audits" and offering a reward of up to 200,000 USD for employees who rat their employers out.
>You cannot do with it what you please, it can be legally seized, at any point you may be required to account for its presence or absence or face jail time. This is true of any and all monetary systems and isn't specific of cash - cryptocurrencies and precious metals can also be legally seized and at any point you may be required to account for its presence or absence or face jail time.
Clearly I'm only really recommending cash for things like purchases in a local store - as stores don't accept gold or bitcoin do they?
For that, the choices are either cash, or credit/debit card (tied to a bank account).
Cash is a hell of a lot better than money in a bank account, as the government can't just freeze your account or make the magic number 0 - they actually have to physically go and steal it off you.
>It is the property of the government; it is proprietary, that's the definition That is not the definition of proprietary - please don't twist the meaning of words.
>Exactly like prohibited copied software, the BSA isn't going to kick down your door for having downloaded Photoshop and the government isn't going to invoke asset forfeiture laws to take $100 out of your pocket If the BSA finds out about your prohibited copy (it's rare, but not impossible) and smells profit, they will get your door kicked down and invoke other laws to take thousands of dollars from you, just like what they do to many businesses.
>Gold and other commodities fit the bill Unfortunately, gold and other commodities are difficult to use for transactions, as having to cut the gold bar into pieces for change only goes so far.
Just because a copy of propriety malware is gratis, it doesn't magically become free - it's still malware.