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   maija (maijing@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:00:11 JST maija

   • Mr. Bacon
   BON APETIT MOTHERFUCKER cc @Tony
   managed to not burn myself barely, ignore the booze and shit
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     maija (maijing@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 11:59:52 JST maija

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     • gentoobro
     @Tony @gentoobro i wish i didn't spend time helping my father with construction gigs as a kid because then i wouldnt understand this
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     maija (maijing@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 11:59:53 JST maija

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     @Tony @gentoobro oh god
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 11:59:54 JST Mr. Bacon

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     alot of homes around here don't even use insulation anymore - they use a a new "zip system" which is just foam/pvc composite plywood.
     
     Literally everything on new homes is built out of plastic.
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 11:59:55 JST Mr. Bacon

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     Everything is modular, there is no "art" to it. Just how many boxes can we fit so the people can sit in the boxes
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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 11:59:55 JST gentoobro

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     Ah yes. Much of this has to do with regulations surrounding the blueprints. It's extremely expensive to get a fully custom blueprint drawn up. Every tiny thing has to be analyzed and stamped by licensed architects and engineers, even if the general design has been in use for centuries. Nearly all houses are just some cookie-cutter pre-approved design these days, and many larger structures are essentially that. They move around some modules but don't have to redo all the work for them.

     Construction cost also comes into play here too. There are so many mandatory expenses nowadays that they have to cut every last corner everywhere that isn't mandatory. The exterior walls have R90000 foam insulation lest a single joule escape and blow up the planet (or hurt Owens Corning's quarterly profits), but it's glued to OSB that is going to rot and fill with mold in 10 years because it's $3 cheaper per sheet.

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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 11:59:56 JST gentoobro

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     the clearly utilization of space for profit at the expense of all else.

     What do you mean by this?

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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 11:59:57 JST Mr. Bacon

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     what kills me is the clearly utilization of space for profit at the expense of all else.
     
     I also fucking hate hotels for this reason. It's so impersonal
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     maija (maijing@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 11:59:58 JST maija

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     • gentoobro
     @gentoobro @Tony yeah. it's the very common case of overregulation for the sake of monopoly
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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 11:59:59 JST gentoobro

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     Half of it is psychotic pearl clutching and half of it is special interest regulatory capture. While there are some sketchy buildings in Mexico, none of them are made of mold sponges or firewood and it's really nice to have actual bricks between rooms and neighbors.

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     maija (maijing@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:00:00 JST maija

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     • gentoobro
     @gentoobro @Tony the amount of regulation in the united states especially around housing is absolutely insane. its like, when i live in the states i remember oh yeah, so much as something that could make you trip if your clothes snag is illegal, meanwhile in eastern europe its like, yeah lets just keep aroudn our old soviet playgrounds that probably kill children full of sharp metal edges, they just work
     i mean ffs my building has like, chunks of concrete missing out of steps, as far as a third fallen off, that would NEVER pass in america but like bro it just works its stable enough so people move on with their life
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:00:01 JST Mr. Bacon

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     Yah, i work in a lot of apartment complexes which go for 2200-3400 per month and honestly they are all the same. You'd be amazed at how similar layouts are across buildings in the US. It's like one developer designed them all. Nothing cozy at all, just heartless sheet rock, gray and shitty mdf trim.
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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:00:01 JST gentoobro

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     A surprising amount of this boils down to regulations.

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     maija (maijing@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:00:02 JST maija

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     @Tony yeah its fucked. things tend to look the same here because yknow, the whole communism thing, but the thing is like, thats fine because they're genuinelly great apartments. i used to live in a kruschovka and it was genuinelly a great place to live. sure its cheap as fuck but like, the concrete helps hold heat super well and you can barely here neighbours if you ever do, the layout and shit is just enough to be cozy and not depressingly compact while you dont take up too much space (and society is more communal around these buildings anyways so is chill), often basements and communal garages, and they can be placed in areas thats otherwise a ton of fields, its super nice. like think of the states, usually an apartment builidng is more urban soulless depressing shit, here its like, contrasted very well to nature at times, not in the cities and stuff ofc but in many areas being able to step out of this little apartment building into just fields, that you can accesss exactly because your compactness allows you to AVOID those suburban sprawls? is just an amazing feeling to be quite honest. even my depressing ghetto ass courtyard is better than some concrete lot yknow
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:00:03 JST Mr. Bacon

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     as someone who literally works in 100s of apartments per year, i choose the old 1800s builds to anything new.
     
     Literally everything built since like 1970 looks the same and is just souless and retarded. It has no craftsmanship to it anymore
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     maija (maijing@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:00:06 JST maija

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     @Tony EXACTLY
     or in this case concrete lmao, but it came with wood furniture. i said renovated cuz this is actualyl a pre soviet era apartment that i asusme just got renovated during then. its got some super retarded shit but its mostly pretty chill. nice wallpaper and stuff. i cant tell for sure because i dont want to damage it but there might actually be a thin layer of drywall between the concrete and the wallpaper, no clue why though
     i dont get why anybody would target that soulless new shit, i want that same comfort i got in my childhood
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:00:07 JST Mr. Bacon

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     new apartments feel too modern. Like boxes. At least the older ones are cozy and have real wood.
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     maija (maijing@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:00:08 JST maija

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     @Tony IT IS
     i specifically targetted older soviet renovated apartments when i was applying for rent i hate this modern minimalist shit, my apartment may suck ass but it is peak cozy
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:00:09 JST Mr. Bacon

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     ngl, looks cozy.
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     maija (maijing@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:00:10 JST maija

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     @Tony oh wow only one bottle visible, impressive luck for a desk of like a dozen
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:02:35 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @skylar @maijing @Tony @gentoobro Why do people hate drywall? Plaster can go kick rocks.
     >Oh you like Wi-Fi? FUCK you, I'm plaster!
     etc. everything is pain in the ass with it.
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     skylar :confederateflag:??? :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:02:36 JST skylar :confederateflag:??? :z:

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     • gentoobro
     @gentoobro @maijing @Tony at least it's easier to deal with than plaster
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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:02:37 JST gentoobro

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     Drywall is terrible. It's a lot of the reason that houses suck in the US.

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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:02:38 JST Mr. Bacon

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     yah, from a quality standpoint, drywall is a little halfassed.
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     skylar :confederateflag:??? :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:02:40 JST skylar :confederateflag:??? :z:

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     • gentoobro
     @Tony @maijing @gentoobro MDF HATE
     MDF OUT
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     maija (maijing@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:02:40 JST maija

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     @skylar @Tony @gentoobro as if drywall being pervasive wasnt already bad enough
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:02:41 JST Mr. Bacon

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     right? when i learned MDF trim was just dust mixed with paste and laminated with plastic and this is what 800K homes are trimmed out with, i just about jumped off a bridge
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:05:27 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @Tony @maijing @gentoobro MDF is really nice for things that just need to be smooth and stronger than particle board. I've used it to make shelves and workbench tops.
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:07:13 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @Tony @maijing @skylar @gentoobro Silica is sand. If sand causes cancer then strap me to a missile and launch me at tne state of California I am ready.
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:07:14 JST Mr. Bacon

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     • gentoobro
     exactly, IT ACTUALLY WORKS AS A BARRIER lol.
     
     Also, silica (what gypsum board is made of) is highly carcinogenic
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:07:56 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @Tony @maijing @skylar @gentoobro it's only dangerous from the dust. Brown lung n sheyit.
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:09:12 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @tyler @maijing @Tony @gentoobro Best thing for forms is melamine board (laminated particle board) because it's cheapest and has the water resistant coating from the vinyl veneer. If you use MDF it will swell.
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     Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:09:13 JST Tyler

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     Good for forms too I hear
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:09:51 JST Mr. Bacon

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     until it gets wet
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:11:07 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     • gentoobro
     @Tony @maijing @gentoobro You don't use it where it'll get wet. I also don't buy it when it's this expensive. It's more expensive than imported water resistant sande plywood rn :iminsane:
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     givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:11:30 JST givenup

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     @BowsacNoodle @skylar @maijing @Tony @gentoobro "the interior finish of hte house is what makes htem shit, not the inferior construction underneath the finish" yea, i mean i guess you could do wood panelling, but tryin' to have a place to live on a budget not a mansion.
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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:12:49 JST gentoobro

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     Bricks are a very cheap construction method. So cheap that Mexicans can afford it.

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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:12:49 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @gentoobro @maijing @Tony @skylar @givenup They don't make them as much in America, unfortunately.
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     givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:13:55 JST givenup

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     @BowsacNoodle @gentoobro @maijing @Tony @skylar well, i have no clue how to build something out of bricks, and i'm in the position only to buy something already made so i gotta do what i gottta do
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:25:20 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @gentoobro @maijing @Tony @skylar @givenup I think it would be cool if bricks had Lego esque nubbies to make them easier to connect properly. I know that's not realistic, but i like the idea.
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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 12:25:21 JST gentoobro

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     Neither did I, so I watched a couple educational youtube videos (made by the Carlos Slim Foundation, interestingly) and now I do know how to lay bricks. Takes a little practice, but then again so does drywall.