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Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 04:53:38 JST
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Come on everybody, If we just get let's say 4 million people paying 10 dollars a month for Firefox, we can replace the revenue that Firefox gets from Google. -
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Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 04:58:14 JST
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@hfaust well people are upset they bought an ad company. Robert James repeated this. -
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H. Faust (hfaust@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 04:58:15 JST
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@sun I was going to say this is about money, but are they really that desperate? -
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lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 04:59:08 JST
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@sun @hfaust people can start doing their own firefox, i heard it's open source Robert James and Blurry Moon like this. -
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Ron Paul (itsover@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:01:13 JST
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@lain @hfaust @sun The Japs have one: blog.ablaze.one/ I use it. its very comfy. lainy likes this. -
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H. Faust (hfaust@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:02:41 JST
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@lain @sun Good, here's the logo, do the rest. Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: and lainy like this. -
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lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:04:00 JST
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@sun @hfaust i'm getting upset with the free software / privacy movement more and more because nobody wants to put their money where their mouth is. kagi costs $5 a month? nah i'd rather stay with google who i hate. Conversation charges for their build on google play? SCAM. Gitlab gives out 90% of their stuff for free but needs to find some revenue to actually pay devs? Clearly they want to SCAM poor users. thank you for reading my blog post -
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:10:56 JST
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@lain @hfaust @sun free software advocates are all freeloaders now. They don't care if you're homeless and your family is starving, they just want your code for free.
"But what about Aklilu in Ethiopia, he can't afford $10/month"
No, but you definitely can so fucking pay for it already, you already had 20 years of it for free. Trade the cost of two candy bars per month for software that people put MILLIONS of hours into. It's the best fucking deal for technology in the history of mankind and you're crying about it being too muchlainy likes this. -
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reidrac@mastodon.sdf.org's status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:23:39 JST
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@lain @hfaust @sun they do already, for example: https://librewolf.net/
What bothers me is the amount of FUD people are spreading. Sure, Mozilla Corp is not great (or straight BAD), but is not like have that many options are the moment.
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Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:27:52 JST
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@lain @hfaust yeah its irritating to me too because like, do the math. If it's free to you, someone is paying, and it's going to be someone snorting up all your data. Don't like it? YOU BE THE CUSTOMER INSTEAD lainy likes this. -
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H. Faust (hfaust@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:30:33 JST
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@sun @lain I blame the English language. People DO confuse free as in freedom with free as "LOL I DIDN'T PAY" -
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EdBoatConnoisseur (edboatconnoisseur@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:34:27 JST
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@neo @sun Mozilla wouldn't need the google money if instead of increasing the CEO salary and laying off developers the CEO took a 50% salary cut.
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Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:34:27 JST
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@EdBoatConnoisseur @neo google revenue is like 450 million -
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neo@shork.comfysnug.space's status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:34:28 JST
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@sun@shitposter.world mozilla is untrustworthy
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Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:36:04 JST
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@LordMordred @EdBoatConnoisseur @neo it's the only semi-independent entity developing a browser separate from google -
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Nova ?? :confederateflag: :nv: (lordmordred@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:36:05 JST
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@sun @EdBoatConnoisseur @neo I don't use Firefox -
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@sun @EdBoatConnoisseur @LordMordred @neo wouldn't there be two, now that ladybird is a thing? -
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Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:36:51 JST
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@allison @EdBoatConnoisseur @LordMordred @neo what's ladybird -
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@sun @EdBoatConnoisseur @LordMordred @neo https://ladybird.dev/ project by the (former) lead serenityos dev to build a production quality web browser from scratch, which has made enough progress by now that I feel confident in saying that it will be fully daily drivable within a few months from now -
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@maija @EdBoatConnoisseur @LordMordred @sun @neo the last I heard was that x.com (nee twitter) was fully usable if you spoofed useragent, and probably most websites/spas of similar complexity work as well In conversation permalink Attachments
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Maija (SPW Arc) (maija@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:40:39 JST
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@allison @EdBoatConnoisseur @LordMordred @sun @neo is ladybird in a reasonably usable state now? last i saw was the accomplishment of being able to login to discord In conversation permalink -
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Maija (SPW Arc) (maija@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:42:48 JST
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@allison @EdBoatConnoisseur @LordMordred @sun @neo oh wow impressive
might have to try it out, but palemoon will likely remain the one for me i thinks :02nod:
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@maija @EdBoatConnoisseur @LordMordred @sun @neo I'm building the latest commit right now to see how usable it is in practice In conversation permalink -
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munir (munir@fedi.munir.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:46:53 JST
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@sun @EdBoatConnoisseur @LordMordred @neo doesn't apple also count? In conversation permalink -
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Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:50:58 JST
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@nav @lain @hfaust well yes they should have done this a long time ago because most people now don't want to give them money with all the bullshit they've adopted since then In conversation permalink Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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NavBlank (nav@maid.army)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:50:59 JST
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@lain@lain.com @sun@shitposter.world @hfaust@shitposter.world I happily pay for Kagi.
I have an aversion to giving Mozilla money because their browser out of the box is horrendous. All the Pocket, recommendations, and such are annoying. Also, my image of Mozilla is mostly negative. It's not substantiated by anything concrete. But there seem to be a lot of criticisms of them.
The Mozilla Developer Network site is an amazing resource too. But I still have no interest in donating money to Mozilla.In conversation permalink lainy likes this. -
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munir (munir@fedi.munir.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:52:58 JST
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@EdBoatConnoisseur @LordMordred @sun @neo uh well, they made webkit no? In conversation permalink -
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EdBoatConnoisseur (edboatconnoisseur@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:52:59 JST
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@munir @sun @LordMordred @neo Apple is a lifestyle brand, not a technology company.
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Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:59:19 JST
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@neo @LordMordred @EdBoatConnoisseur they aren't even promoting their crypto token anymore. In conversation permalink -
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Nova ?? :confederateflag: :nv: (lordmordred@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:59:20 JST
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@neo @sun @EdBoatConnoisseur need an example In conversation permalink -
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neo@shork.comfysnug.space's status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:59:20 JST
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@LordMordred@poa.st
First, there's the fact that it's a crypto browser, and crypto is largely associated with scams of various kinds.
Secondly, they whitelist a ton of ads from facebook and twitter. Not good.
Thirdly, they spend a lot of time adding features nobody cares about and doesn't give people ways to disable them (VPN, some of the crypto stuff, etc).
Rewards is not opt-in, it's opt-out? except apparently the opt-out doesn't work?
https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/8/21283769/brave-browser-affiliate-links-crypto-privacy-ceo-apology
https://www.searchenginejournal.com/brave-browser-under-fire-for-alleged-sale-of-copyrighted-data/491854/
https://community.brave.com/t/brave-has-become-malware/510414They constantly add new “features” without giving us ability to disable it completely (you can’t completely disable Brave News, Brave VPN, Brave Wallet, Brave Rewards, Brave Search; they are always present somewhere in the UI)https://www.spacebar.news/stop-using-brave-browser/
https://web.archive.org/web/20210618144519/https://www.ebin.city/~werwolf/posts/brave-is-shit/
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Nova ?? :confederateflag: :nv: (lordmordred@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:59:21 JST
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@neo @sun @EdBoatConnoisseur Why? In conversation permalink -
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neo@shork.comfysnug.space's status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:59:21 JST
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Because they're doing bad shit yo
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Nova ?? :confederateflag: :nv: (lordmordred@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:59:22 JST
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@sun @EdBoatConnoisseur @neo Have you tried Brave? In conversation permalink -
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neo@shork.comfysnug.space's status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:59:22 JST
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i have not and will not try "le shill lion" browser
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Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 06:01:14 JST
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@neo @EdBoatConnoisseur @LordMordred they have integrated their own eth wallet though I guess but it doesn't really do anything unless you deliberately try to use it, there's an icon there but I have never used it. In conversation permalink -
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Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 06:04:12 JST
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@neo @LordMordred @EdBoatConnoisseur @munir blink is a derivative of webkit and webkit is a derivative of khtml In conversation permalink -
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neo@shork.comfysnug.space's status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 06:04:13 JST
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aren't both webkit and blink based originally off of khtml?
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EdBoatConnoisseur (edboatconnoisseur@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 06:04:14 JST
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@munir @LordMordred @sun @neo Made is rather pretentious considering webkit is a fork of the core of a fork of a web engine.
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 06:07:16 JST
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@neo @sun @LordMordred @EdBoatConnoisseur > and crypto is largely associated with scams of various kinds.
Someday crypto will overtake Bank Transfer+Wire fraud scams, but we aren't there yet. I hope you don't use banks. They seem very suspect.In conversation permalink Attachments
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EdBoatConnoisseur (edboatconnoisseur@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 06:07:16 JST
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@feld @neo @LordMordred @sun I don't use shitcoins like the US dollar, trillions on circulation, 1 node, no minting cap, and 1% of holders control about 90% of the supply.
Looking to migrate my assets to a realcoin like the yuan but need a way to simplify the process.
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@maija @EdBoatConnoisseur @LordMordred @sun @neo update: build system decided not to cooperate with me and now I'm making the terrible life choice of installing nixos In conversation permalink -
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Maija (SPW Arc) (maija@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 06:15:54 JST
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@allison @EdBoatConnoisseur @LordMordred @sun @neo big things happening indeed In conversation permalink -
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Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 06:15:59 JST
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@allison @EdBoatConnoisseur @LordMordred @maija @neo turn back now In conversation permalink -
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Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 06:23:59 JST
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@nav @lain @feld @hfaust any youtube channel I like I give five dollars a month to. Right now I am only giving to Red Letter Media and Technology Connections In conversation permalink lainy likes this. -
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NavBlank (nav@maid.army)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 06:24:00 JST
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@feld@bikeshed.party @lain@lain.com @hfaust@shitposter.world @sun@shitposter.world Louis Rossmann in a video said something like you should pay creators whose content you find valuable to you $1. Because viewers are worth like a few cents to creators due to the little ad revenue they receive.
I think this is a very good idea. I like something, I give a dollar to a few bucks. It's basically nothing for me. But that pays for a lot of views from me. Same thing goes with open source software. If I find it useful, I see if they accept donations.
I know if I made something open source and someone sent me a dollar, I'd be ecstatic that someone cares so much about my software to even think of giving me money. I once received an email thanking me for like $2 from a dev lol
Granted, I know not everyone has disposable income to do that. But I think it's a good idea if one has the means.
I refuse to give Google money for YouTube. I don't think they deserve it with how they treat content creators and users. I'd rather skip them and directly pay the creators off platformIn conversation permalink lainy likes this. -
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@maija @EdBoatConnoisseur @LordMordred @sun @neo not so fast lol, we all know the likely outcome of this little situation will be that I hate nixos even more and I'd have firsthand experience to back my claims up instead of just relying on gut instinct In conversation permalink -
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Maija (SPW Arc) (maija@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 06:26:52 JST
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@allison @EdBoatConnoisseur @LordMordred @sun @neo its over we lost her In conversation permalink Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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@iska @LordMordred @EdBoatConnoisseur @sun @neo @maija too few packages + not fully supporting all my hardware + nowhere near gnupilled enough to make it work for me In conversation permalink -
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Iska (iska@catposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 06:30:34 JST
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@allison@hidamari.apartments @maija@shitposter.world @EdBoatConnoisseur@poa.st @LordMordred@poa.st @sun@shitposter.world @neo@shork.comfysnug.space install :guix:
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Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 06:32:59 JST
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@redneonglow @EdBoatConnoisseur @neo I don't understand it either but I have worked for a nonprofit before that did it. In conversation permalink -
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Red (redneonglow@bae.st)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 06:33:00 JST
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@EdBoatConnoisseur @sun @neo How is it even legal for a for-profit corporation to own a non-profit corporation? In conversation permalink -
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NavBlank (nav@maid.army)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 06:51:51 JST
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@feld@bikeshed.party @lain@lain.com @sun@shitposter.world @hfaust@shitposter.world Software in the Public Interest accepts donations via Zelle which I think is great for people in the US since with most banks, that should be free for business I believe. It's useless everywhere else though.
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 06:51:52 JST
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@nav yes!, you get it.
We can't get there until there's a ~free way to send money to other people on the internet.
We can't fight back against the existing system unless we directly fund en-masse the things we care about.
You could change lives with 25 cents if enough people are donating... allow people to work full time on these things they're really good at.
I see two main hurdles: getting people to understand the value prop of this new form of p2p internet capitalsm, and getting people to mentally accept a digital currency.
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 07:12:25 JST
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@lain@lain.com @sun@shitposter.world @hfaust@shitposter.world People can start? People have been doing their own Firefox since literally forever. We literally don't need Mozilla.
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@iska @LordMordred @EdBoatConnoisseur @sun @neo @maija no idea tbh but I wouldn't think it outside the realm of possibility In conversation permalink -
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Iska (iska@catposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 07:22:56 JST
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@allison@hidamari.apartments @maija@shitposter.world @EdBoatConnoisseur@poa.st @LordMordred@poa.st @sun@shitposter.world @neo@shork.comfysnug.space can the web engine be extracted to work with Nyxt?
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 07:26:00 JST
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@SuperDicq @lain @sun You quite do, at least you'd need Mozilla as an upstream. Specially if you'd rather avoid launching effectively chromium or a webkit-gtk browser for the vast majority of webapps and mainsteam sites (which is where palememe, waterfox, SailfishOS browser, … falls off).
Mozilla is likely a better upstream than Google but it's still a pretty bad choice, it's one of the many reasons why I picked WebKitGTK.In conversation permalink -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 07:27:16 JST
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @lain@lain.com @sun@shitposter.world Why do you need Mozilla as an upstream? My favorite Firefox fork is Palemoon.
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Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 07:33:14 JST
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@SuperDicq @lain @lanodan if you plan on never syncing back with blink/webkit then it may be okay but chrome is completely saddled with google's business needs as an ad company In conversation permalink -
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Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 07:33:55 JST
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 07:35:11 JST
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@sun@shitposter.world @lain@lain.com @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me Blink? Webkit? What the fuck are you talking about? We Gecko up in this bitch 🦎
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Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 07:35:25 JST
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@SuperDicq @lain @lanodan I misread, I was paying attention to multiple things at once In conversation permalink
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