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   Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 26-May-2024 05:34:45 JST Sick Sun
   CHUGGING
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   MILK
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     kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Sunday, 26-May-2024 05:35:38 JST kaia

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     @sun THE WHITE MAN"S PREROGATIVE
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 26-May-2024 06:56:37 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     @sun don't do it!
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 26-May-2024 15:11:08 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @jeffcliff @fluffy @sun bird flu is still not a big deal until it jumps outside of rare one-offs Not going to be.
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     fluffy@baraag.net's status on Sunday, 26-May-2024 15:11:10 JST fluffy

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     @jeffcliff @sun
     I appreciate your concern, it's very nice to see someone genuinely care so much about everyone and their health.

     Some of us can be responsible, it's no different than gun safety and general mindfulness.

     In terms of composite risk management we're assessing chance and severity then implementing mitigating measures.

     The health benefits are worth discussing as are the over emphasized possible complications you estow.

     Also, we knew bird flu thing a while ago, there's a schedule.

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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 26-May-2024 15:11:10 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     @fluffy @sun Being responsible means not drinking raw milk rn.
     
     >Also, we knew bird flu thing a while ago, there's a schedule.
     
     Lemme guess you think that it's some kind of government psyop and not...ignored by the government entirely and entirely being warned about by scientists watching it evolve
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 26-May-2024 15:11:13 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     @fluffy @sun
     
     none of that justifies exposing one's self to viral #H5N1 during a bird flu epidemic and risking the beginning of a global pandemic if it goes human-to-human
     
     drinking raw milk when birds aren't dying of h5n1 in an obviously risky-to-humanity situation is fine
     
     this is not the time
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     fluffy@baraag.net's status on Sunday, 26-May-2024 15:11:14 JST fluffy

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     @jeffcliff @sun
     Do it!

     Studies have found that raw milk contains the enzymes that prevent lactose intolerance; in other words, just not pasteurizing milk allows lactose intolerant “people” to drink it without issue.

     https://www.rawmilkinstitute.org/updates/raw-milk-and-lactose-intolerance

     I also want to point out how hard the propaganda is going against raw milk, it's almost obvious that it's beneficial based on how flimsy the logic behind the attacks on raw milk are.

     Bonus:
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ragPQeYRB8c

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     @BowsacNoodle @fluffy @sun you're right it's not
     
     the only people who bird flu should matter to are people who work with cows / birds
     
     and people who drink raw milk without boiling it
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 26-May-2024 15:14:11 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
     @jeffcliff @fluffy @sun I wouldn't touch raw milk rn unless you want to drink vax juice.
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     fluffy@baraag.net's status on Monday, 27-May-2024 03:49:26 JST fluffy

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     @jeffcliff @sun
     If you have a different interpretation of the data I would love to discuss that with you.

     I'll have time to go over these things in more detail Wednesday afternoon, as today I'm rather busy enjoying my day off.

     I hope you also have a nice day, and I look forward to your correspondence.

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     fluffy@baraag.net's status on Monday, 27-May-2024 03:49:27 JST fluffy

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     @jeffcliff @sun
     https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2405495

     Let's take a look at this very early research.

     Well, as I see it these methods are very flawed.

     Allow me to explain my concerns.

     https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12250-020-00230-5

     The measurement of 7.33 log10 TCID50/ml is incredibly odd, it's basically at the limits of detection, I have no idea why they'd use the log10 range unless it was to skew results.

     It's clear that they isolated the virus from the samples before the mice experiment.

     Also, it proves intentional spread.

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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 27-May-2024 03:49:27 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     @fluffy @sun >Also, it proves intentional spread.
     
     huh
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     fluffy@baraag.net's status on Monday, 27-May-2024 03:49:28 JST fluffy

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     @jeffcliff @sun
     Let's not conflate the governments with the private entities which decide these things; let's also distinguish between a psy-op and the real intentional inoculation of people with these influenza strains as part of some ill understood clandestine plan.

     The best information I have is that the very serious H5N1 influenza strain—all influenza infections being potentially lethal—isn't being transmitted by raw milk.

     I welcome more information on this matter, if you would share it.

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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 27-May-2024 03:49:28 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     @fluffy @sun yes it can. https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/high-h5n1-influenza-levels-found-mice-given-raw-milk-infected-dairy-cows
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 27-May-2024 03:52:06 JST Sick Sun

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     @jeffcliff @fluffy did they get it from a vaccine
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 27-May-2024 04:14:09 JST Sick Sun

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     • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
     @jeffcliff @fluffy this is again a situation where the FDA made all their interactions hostile up to this point
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     fluffy@baraag.net's status on Monday, 27-May-2024 04:14:10 JST fluffy

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     @sun @jeffcliff
     That's a possibility, now that you mention it.

     I hadn't considered ineffective vaccines as a vector of transmission, I would have hoped dairy farmers would be careful of what they're giving their cattle.

     Come to think of it, raw milk in my state is illegal except under very specific circumstances so I'm confident that the few instances where raw milk is accessible would have better cared for cattle.

     I'll have to dig into their dataset when I have time.

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     @fluffy @sun
     
     >n, I would have hoped dairy farmers would be careful of what they're giving their cattle.
     
     Other way around
     
     They are actively interfering with the US government verifying their cattle is not infected.
     
     They *want* you infected
     
     > so I'm confident that the few instances where raw milk is accessible would have better cared for cattle.
     
     this confidence is misplaced