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:blobcatflower: (methyltheobromine@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 18:48:19 JST 
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another reason why being trans in a wagie job in germany is literal hell is, there's legal restrictions on how much men and women are allowed to "occasionally" or "frequently" carry, which for women is 15 and 10 kg, and for men 55 and 30 kg.
the fact I've never been muscular and been on hormones for ~18 months by now doesn't matter at all since i can't change my legal gender just like that in this country. i envy comfy offices trannies that get to complain about tech shit all day so much.
tl;dr my back hurts and i hate my job.- Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: and snacks like this.
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Evelyn fra denne andre øya (evelyn@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 19:25:43 JST
Evelyn fra denne andre øya
@lucy@netzsphaere.xyz In the UK, we used to have different limits for men and women but they were abolished and now the limit is whatever you can lift comfortably. Having hard limits like this seems kinda unsafe, even ignoring trans people
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 19:26:29 JST 
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@evelyn @lucy it used to be common to exclude women from jobs by adding a lifting requirement, it's probably related to that. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 19:28:22 JST 
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@sun @evelyn @lucy we had arguing about that in the states and i'm kind of eh towards it.
i was one of the people upset when they were doing it with firemans though. the reason firemans have to be able to deadlift 300lbs is because americans are fat fucks and a fireman has to pick someone's fat ass up and carry them out of a building. while wearing bunker gear. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 19:30:33 JST
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@sun @evelyn @lucy in situations that are not people are literally about to die its whatever just get a push cart for the weaklings to carry the monitors around idgaf -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 19:32:14 JST
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@icedquinn @evelyn @lucy there are jobs where lifting requirements are reasonable but it was being added to like, office jobs and stuff. oh, you have to be able to carry two legal paper boxes etc.
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 19:33:51 JST
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@sun @evelyn @lucy i have been made somewhat aware of the practice of unnecessary licensing requirements as a proxy for being disallowed from being openly x-ist.
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 19:39:23 JST
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@icedquinn @evelyn @lucy unnecessary certification is actually something I have professional experience with (can't elaborate), there's tons of it here but it mostly exists for jobs that people could run out of their house to prevent brick and mortar stores from having to compete with anybody starting a hair braiding business in their basement by adding a cosmetology hygiene certification requirement. effectively keeping out poor black women. almost all certifications are at least 90% bullshit but for some professions they are unintuitive but good. doing nails sounds easy but you can sicken a ton of people at once if you don't follow an equipment cleaning regimen. Same with doing hair and to some extent makeup. So I can't dispense with the idea completely. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 19:40:27 JST
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@sun @evelyn @lucy yeah texas has fuckers like that. some guy who owned restaurants went to war on food trucks and paid off the government to ban cooking in your food truck.
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 19:51:01 JST
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@lucy @icedquinn @evelyn similar to the way every american is soft on rich people bullshit because they think they'll be rich some day too, they think that the problems with America are small and temporary and that the general thrust of America is toward freedom. But everywhere you go people use the law to harass you.
I had someone from Saudi Arabia once unironically say that SA was more free than America because you can park your car anywhere and camp as long as you like, but in America the cops show up and threaten you. Like, I am not convinced that SA is freer than the USA, but he has a point.Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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:blobcatflower: (methyltheobromine@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 19:51:03 JST
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@icedquinn @evelyn @sun do americans unironically think they live in that "land of the free" these days? Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 19:51:39 JST
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@lucy @evelyn @sun that is still the propaganda. we have growing factions that are non plussed (MAGA movement comes to mind.) -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 19:54:38 JST
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@sun @evelyn @lucy citation lost but america "loves" the rich.
there is a narrative made by rent seekers that we don't. and the marxies actually do just hate everyone who has money. but traditional america loves when you are good at money and acquire a lot of money. what we hate is when you didn't earn it and resorted to shenanigans (elon, bank bailouts.)
people like me are mid on rich people because of systems design and ancient warnings from people like machiaveli against just taking shit from your own people. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:02:03 JST
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@sun @evelyn @lucy some while ago i decided all i care about in politics is enforcing skin in the game and removal of conflicts of interest (although these two things probably conflict with themselves.) this gives a very odd perspective on everything.
you don't really want to take stuff from successful people. citation lost but there was a documentary on that and the middle class forming out of the plague but also because people were able to accumulate back then they started being able to elevate their own status. and we know from machiaveli that once you start robbing your own you never stop, and we know that the problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money.
in an antifragile taleb environment, you don't really need to just punish someone for being successful. you need to police any weird corpofascist reasons they are successful. but otherwise they stand on their own until they don't. it's actually the ability to fail that enforces intelligent behavior from elites, and the constant threat that if they do one too many cocaine bender they'll fall off the pedestal and someone else claims the spot.
a lot of people get upset and angry at 'have money,' even though it's actually specifically parasitic rent seekers that are the problem, not the people who genuinely created something extremely useful and were compensated for it. -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:02:31 JST
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@icedquinn @evelyn @lucy money is so important that I am ok with certain types of regulation (provided it measurably works and isn't offset by too much harm) regarding finance.
Making money by manipulating money is both necessary and a major hazard so we need better social taboos and severe punishment for transgressing them.
What I am saying is, usury should be legal, regulated, and the people that choose to make their money that way should be shunned. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:03:08 JST
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@sun @evelyn @lucy i don't think we *need* usury. i'm just willing to permit it under a very narrow list of wholly defined instruments. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:03:36 JST
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@sun @evelyn @lucy i have ruined the thread though, so i'm go :blobcatghostdead: -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:05:22 JST
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@icedquinn @evelyn @lucy werll, I helped -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:07:27 JST
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@icedquinn I'm lumping a lot of finance things under usury, like hedging to reduce risk. I don't actually understand finance that well but I see how there were a bunch of protections in the past and they were removed in the 80s and 90s because we were told bankers could do it responsibly. This has objectively been proven incorrect so why aren't we putting back the regs? Because we are governed by criminals. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:09:08 JST
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@sun bankers lobbied for their own deregulation yes. it's a cycle where they fuck up and get locked down, then beg from their little hannibal lecter cell that they promise not to do it again.
the trick to this scam is you wait for memories of your crimes to pass out of common discourse. the next generation doesn't remember the horrors you created. -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:12:32 JST
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@icedquinn The Bible doesn't barely go into economics but it recognized the problems of usury because they're just obvious. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:14:01 JST
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@sun i'm meh on insurance. i just see it as professional gambling. the bookies deal with larger numbers and human disasters instead of horses. only difference is they just declare nuh if they roll snake eyes. usury is when your only contribution is money to obtain more money so insurance probably counts. insurance is.. still kind of useful, but they acquire too much influence. never really pondered what to do about them. (if they actually pay out claims, then there isn't much you should do probably.)
for banks you mostly just need to separate them in to investment and utility banks. they are really good at storing and moving money. those guys stick around a long time and cause little to no problems. its the banks that gamble their customer's shit away all the time that turn around and go oh we fucked up. i think glass-steagle or something did put a hard cut on these and it was GREAT because the gamblers had to advertise as a gambling bank and couldn't get access to rank and file wagies.
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on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:15:06 JST 
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@sun @icedquinn i'm puzzled that you see hedging as usury. if you have both usd and bitcoin, that's hedging. how is that usury in any sense? -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:15:34 JST
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@lain @sun i'm not sure what he meant by hedging but diversification is just sound business. -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:15:54 JST
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@lain @icedquinn I don't know the right name for it so I used the wrong word. I meant like selling derivatives I think. on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ likes this. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:16:22 JST
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@sun @lain securities / financial instruments -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:16:59 JST
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@icedquinn @lain I need to learn this shit top to bottom on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ likes this. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:17:50 JST
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@sun @lain arguably loans, escrows and the like are also 'instruments' but the securities market is what tends to create all the banker bailouts. its high brow gambling with rules designed to be hard to audit. -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:19:36 JST
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@icedquinn @lain I understand what some of these instruments are for but in practice I think they are just gambling. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:19:38 JST
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@sun @lain every time in your life you heard armageddon is about to happen because the price of corn went up or down by two cents a cob, that's some motherfucker with futures who probably pre-sold a million cobs last year and now they're required to deliver for a set price they can't afford anymore and they also probably leveraged it (meaning, took a loan to gamble) so now not only do they not have enough to buy the million cobs but they're a billion dollars in debt to a bank on top of it. Sick Sun likes this. -
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on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:19:52 JST
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@icedquinn @sun the government is what is creating the bailouts. unregulatable defi doesn't have these issues because things just go bust. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:20:12 JST
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@sun @lain almost everything finance engineers do is gambling by a fancy name yes. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:20:35 JST
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@lain @sun FIY this is what killed venezuela -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:21:04 JST
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@lain @icedquinn I deleted a bigger post in the previous thread because it was getting off topic but I can post it here. I feel like total deregulation would inevitably lead to necessary bailouts and I think bailouts are a bigger hazard to a country than financial regulations. This all assumes that regulations are created intelligently and fairly which we know is not the case but -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:21:36 JST
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@lain @sun they sold oil futures to buy cocaine in the present, trump happened and the price of oil floored, and the amount the government had to produce tripled and they couldn't meet the stock requirement.
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:22:53 JST
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@sun @lain no, death (bankruptcy) is the only thing that puts gamblers in their place.
what you want is something like glass steagle where the gamblers are cut off from the low interest utility serviceson-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ likes this. -
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on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:23:16 JST
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@sun @icedquinn why are these bailouts necessary? i don't doubt they'd be made but there's not necessity to it. in every other industry bad companies go bankrupt. -
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on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:24:07 JST
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@icedquinn @sun europe doesn't have glass-steagall and has never had it, but the problem didn't exist there. regulation is a total red herring here in my opinion. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:24:28 JST
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@lain @sun probably because these places tend to rats nest the businesses. you might have pulled funds from one of the gamblers, run your business with it, the gambler fucks up and is now calling in all the debts, and your company collapses, everyone loses their jobs, because corn cobs cost one cent more this year. -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:27:53 JST
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@icedquinn @lain I do for example believe that derivatives can make a market more efficient and speculation is a necessary component in that. I don't think I can draw a greater lesson from the 2007 bailouts connected to this though because in that case there was a lot of outright fraud (not prosecuted) and ratings agencies were rating shit sandwiches as high quality. Theoretically if I were for printing money I would say print money for things like paying for good police investigations and prosecution of financial fraud lol. We keep getting told that the problem is that public sector can't allocate enough resources to prosecute (or pay good prosecutors more than they'd make privately) but we literally print money you guys. Not saying we should actually do this, but we could. -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:28:59 JST
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@lain @icedquinn Well like for example when it blows up a company holding pensions or investments for close to a million people. You can't have a working society that is constantly wracked by devastation like this. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:29:43 JST
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@sun @lain you can actually :blobcatthinkOwO: -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:31:08 JST
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@sun @lain forests burn themselves off. its sad, but they do it. and the underbrush grows because of it.
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:32:16 JST
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@icedquinn @lain break up finance companies when they hit some threshold for amount of money they manage then and you've hurt very little and removed that risk. -
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on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:32:44 JST
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@sun @icedquinn do you think most people would invest in very risky financial instruments for their pension money? if not, why would these companies just blow up? -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:33:07 JST
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@sun @lain enforced diversity yeah. i have wondered about if there's a way to make that work. like having to report everyone you do business with, such that we can compute the graph and ensure you haven't created a monopoly situation.
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:34:09 JST
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@lain @icedquinn they will if a ratings agency lies on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ likes this. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:34:45 JST
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@lain @sun honestly this just gets back to my whole shit about companies should never offer benefits and go back to just giving you the money directly.
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:35:14 JST
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@icedquinn @lain I am always stuck between two extremes because I don't think individuals should have to report any of their financial shit to anybody but I kind of don't care if a company has to since it's chartered by the state for limited liability protection. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:35:23 JST
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@lain @sun i repeat myself. the friendly socities helped you with all that back in the day. on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ likes this. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:36:16 JST
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@sun @lain i'm open to less invasive ways to avoid the total collapse of my empire :comfywoozy: -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:41:38 JST
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@icedquinn @lain you could probably do OSINT to estimate it and it would be good enough. I mean literally you'd have to be huge to get broken up and you can't really hide that. -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:42:11 JST
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@icedquinn @lain I admit I am just trying to salvage my argument at this point because yes I want less financial reporting not more. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:42:48 JST
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@sun @lain its more about tracing the social graph of businesses to ensure the retirement of Mark Adler doesn't cause the entire technology sector to collapse -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:43:58 JST
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@sun @lain i am not sure what most financial reporting accomplishes. the SEC seems worthless. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:45:24 JST
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@sun @lain my ability to respect them does not exist because they sued LBRY for trying to run a youtube with service tokens that were clearly advertised as rate limiting commodities and not investment devices to unsophisticated investors. while at the same time butt plugging for FTX, a criminal enterprise.
the fact the SEC is busy terrorizing a legitimate business while simping for a democrat embezzlement operation means they should be razed to the ground.Sick Sun likes this. -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:45:32 JST
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@icedquinn @lain my ass is chapped that they want to track me withdrawing 2000 dollars but the entire housing finance industry blows up and everybody is just like "we don't know where the money went" fuck you, straight to jail. on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ likes this. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:46:25 JST
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@sun @lain
> we don't know where that trillion dollars is. lost it in a boating accident.
> i want that 600 of yours thoon-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ likes this. -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:47:00 JST
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@icedquinn @lain somebody reported bernie madoff multiple times with enough evidence to prove what he was doing was a scam and they didn't do anything there either. on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ likes this. -
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on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 20:57:55 JST
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@sun @icedquinn i'm ok as they long as they start with the richest, biggest crime syndicate in the US -
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御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 22:17:58 JST 
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@sun @icedquinn @lain read traders, guns, and money by das on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ and Sick Sun like this.
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