Randahl Fink
30,000 Palestinians killed.
— World leaders: “Israel has a right to defend itself.”
7 international aid workers killed.
— World leaders: “ISRAEL HAS GONE TOO FAR!”
If your moral values change depending on the nationality of the victims, you do not have any moral values.
All you have is racism.
Darnell Clayton :verified:
@randahl The situation in #Gaza is tragic, but after #Hamas (who was elected to power) attacked #Israel 🇮🇱 on October 7th, 2023, they committed the whole area to the blowback of war.
Hamas is (to put it bluntly) a genocidal organization that needs to be removed from power.
They are comparable to the #KKK & #IslamicState in brutality.
Until the 200+ hostages are released (including 6 Americans), the war will continue & #BenjaminNetanyahu will disappointedly remain in power.
Darnell Clayton :verified:
@Jennifer @randahl That is the sad reality of the situation. As far as 30,000 death toll goes, I am skeptical about that stat for two reasons:
👉🏾 It is coming from Hamas’s health ministry who does not distinguish between combatants & non-combatants
👉🏾 We will not know the real death toll due to it being urban warfare, until most of the fighting subsides (the figure could be much higher)
I wish the civilians were temporarily evacuated beforehand, but I digress.
Jennifer
@darnell @randahl it's not really fair to say Hamas was elected and implying the people there chose this since the last election was in 2006. I agree about Hamas being a terrorist organization, and agree they should release the hostages, but a lot of people getting killed and starved weren't even alive in 2006 and have had no say in what hamas is doing. Israel is out of control and needs to be stopped from committing even more war crimes.
Darnell Clayton :verified:
@Jennifer @randahl 🙄 Then what is your realistic solution for removing a genocidal organization who happens to double as a governmental power‽
Hamas intentionally hides amongst civilians, along with their weapon depots & terrorist bases.
War is an ugly affair, & no country would tolerate the existence of a genocidal terrorist group at the expense of their own citizens. That is a political reality.
Jennifer
@darnell @randahl people are starting to starve. The current death toll is probably a guess, but it's not a guess to say many more people are about to die from lack of food because Israel has blocked all aid. I consider that a war crime. It's disgusting what they're doing, they are behaving no better than Hamas.
Darnell Clayton :verified:
@Dinger @randahl 🙄 Google is your friend: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2006/1/26/hamas-wins-huge-majority
Jon Reis...
@darnell @randahl why don’t you tell us what year Hamas was elected.
Darnell Clayton :verified:
@sb @randahl I only stated the facts. Nothing more & nothing less.
Sean Boyer 🇵🇸 FREE PALESTINE
Darnell Clayton :verified:
@Dinger @randahl Hamas being elected makes them the governmental power of Gaza. That is an important fact that only the willfully ignorant would ignore.
It was the same when Nazis were elected in Germany 🇩🇪. Why would you overlook that‽
Jon Reis...
@darnell @randahl I’m asking you because your point about them being “elected” in 2006 is completely irrelevant to your argument in support of genocide.
Darnell Clayton :verified:
@mycotropic @Jennifer @randahl Israel 🇮🇱 is fighting a genocidal terrorist organization who purposely embeds themselves within the civilian population in Gaza.
Civilian deaths will obviously be in the thousands, but until Hamas is destroyed or the hostages are returned the war will continue. That is reality.
Mycotropic
"In an unprecedented move, according to two of the sources, the army also decided during the first weeks of the war that, for every junior Hamas operative that Lavender marked, it was permissible to kill up to 15 or 20 civilians; in the past, the military did not authorize any “collateral damage” during assassinations of low-ranking militants."
https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
That's genocidal, it's not up to us to determine a "realistic" approach for Israel to take to end a terrorist threat, it's up to them to do it and do it in a way that doesn't involve genocide.
Darnell Clayton :verified:
@Dinger @randahl Israel 🇮🇱 is fighting a war against a genocidal organization in an urban area, so civilians being killed is tragic, but unexpected.
Israel 🇮🇱 is not firing indiscriminately en mass at civilian areas (if that were the case the death toll would be in the hundreds of thousands).
To compare & contrast, you can look up the conflict in Ethiopia 🇪🇹 against the Tigrays, where 600,000 were killed. https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/africa/2023/01/16/tigray-death-toll-could-be-as-high-as-600000-african-union-envoy-says/
Jon Reis...
@darnell @randahl being elected in 2006 for a 18+ year term? Interesting. I applaud you for mentioning the nazis though. Their genocide is different from the genocide happening now in Gaza is what?
Darnell Clayton :verified:
@seachanger @Dinger @randahl I am not a fan of #BenjaminNetanyahu & wish he was not in power (he was in the middle of corruption charges & is trying to stay in power in order to stay out of jail).
👉🏾 https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/04/world/netanyahu-corruption-trial-resumes/index.html
wet forest moon folklorist
@darnell @Dinger @randahl i have read a few articles from Israel pointing to the passive and active support Netanyahu’s folks lent Hamas. It’s been more useful for Israel’s hard right over the years to have the most extreme opposition possible, which is so frustrating but also a reality to be thoughtful about
Darnell Clayton :verified:
@Dinger @randahl 🙄 Accusing Israel 🇮🇱 of murdering their own hostsges now‽ Thanks for outing yourself as a terrorist sympathizer. You are no better than the people who justify the KKK in my eyes. Goodbye! 👋🏾
Jon Reis...
@darnell @randahl Israel is a genocidal organization. Your projection makes you look stupid. Israel murdered their own hostages that they were trying to release. It’s nothing but war crimes.
Sean Boyer 🇵🇸 FREE PALESTINE
@darnell @randahl
Those are NOT facts, they are ill-informed conjecture.
What "fact" leads you to believe that the victims of systemic oppression are "like the kkk"? Was MLK comparable to the KKK? Gimme a break man!
Darnell Clayton :verified:
@sb @randahl Hamas clearly stated in their 1988 charter their genocidal intentions for Israel 🇮🇱. They are savage terrorist organization who in their own words wishes death upon Israelis: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/
They currently run the government of Gaza, & their attack on October 7th was an act of war. Intentially raping & burning civilians (including infants & toddlers) is evil, & no government would tolerate that attack on their citizens.
Darnell Clayton :verified:
@Jennifer @mycotropic @randahl The IDF is attempting to rescue the hostages even as we type. Here is the most recent example: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-hostage-71-still-stunned-by-reality-rescue-2024-04-02/
Jennifer
@darnell @mycotropic @randahl and it doesn't seem to me like the IDF is terribly interested in getting the hostages back since they kill those who escape and are probably killing most of the rest with their indiscriminate bombing.
Jennifer
@darnell @mycotropic @randahl it will be impossible to destroy Hamas, and every day this continues will only ensure there are more recruits. This is also making the US less secure because we'll be the target for supporting war crimes. I mean I'm not an expert in this, how should I know. I've long thought what's going on there is unsolvable because everyone involved is so resistant to compromise. But I want to withhold $ and weapons until Israel allows in unrestricted food and medical aid.
Sean Boyer 🇵🇸 FREE PALESTINE
@darnell @randahl Alright dude. Good luck being on that side of history. You should know better.
Darnell Clayton :verified:
@sb @randahl I do not support terrorist organizations in the same way I oppose Nazis & the KKK. Eradicating genocidal organizations is not easy, & often takes a long time. So yeah, I am comfortable opposing terrorist organizations. I always have & always will.
Darnell Clayton :verified:
@kikebenlloch I do not support terrorists organizations, especially those promoting genocide like Hamas. If you do not like this view, then why are you engaging with me‽
kikebenlloch
@darnell @randahl Your discourse is so 100% fucking complicit of the current genocide it absolutely makes me sick.
Darnell Clayton :verified:
@MisuseCase @Jennifer @mycotropic @randahl Retrieving hostages is not an easy, peasy, text book solution. It is difficult & soldiers often only have limited information.
As far as those tunnels go, they usually fill them with sea water after they have been cleared of terrorists (yes, soldiers & to my knowledge military land drones enter those tunnels & fight terrorists inside).
Misuse Case
@darnell @Jennifer @mycotropic @randahl The hostages are in those tunnels Hamas has built, but the IDF doesn’t know exactly where. The IDF has been flooding the tunnels with seawater which endangers the hostages as much as it does Hamas.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-confirms-flooding-hamas-tunnels-in-gaza-with-seawater/
And there was that time the IDF shot three hostages who escaped on their own. Getting the hostages back does not seem to be as high on their list as killing Gazans.
Darnell Clayton :verified:
@MisuseCase @Jennifer @mycotropic @randahl You obviously are not keeping up today with what is happening. https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/small-drones-are-helping-israel-navigate-the-urban-battlefield-in-gaza-293b1de4
Misuse Case
@darnell @Jennifer @mycotropic @randahl You are very much talking out of some orfice that isn’t your mouth at this point.
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