@Wen @jonburr @Vonskinnback @TCMuffin @benroyce @Funwithphotos It doesn't feel as well thought out as that. The very idea of people wanting their country to be independent from the UK just seems to enrage lots of English people.I don't see the same fury coming from Scotland or Wales. Why do Scottish people not feel personally affronted when Welsh people say they want to leave the UK?I guess it has something to do with English identity in relation to their UK identity, but I can't quite say what.
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Mrs Cloudy (cloudymrs@mastodon.scot)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2024 03:08:33 JST Mrs Cloudy -
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jonburr (jonburr@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2024 02:29:07 JST jonburr @Vonskinnback @TCMuffin @Wen @benroyce @Funwithphotos
It's so nice being English and feeling the warmth of your neighbours...
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Mrs Cloudy (cloudymrs@mastodon.scot)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2024 02:29:07 JST Mrs Cloudy @jonburr @Vonskinnback @TCMuffin @Wen @benroyce @Funwithphotos why do so many people who identify as English take it so personally when people in the other nations of the UK express a wish to leave the UK? Why does England not want to be independent?
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Baron Vonskinnback (vonskinnback@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2024 02:29:08 JST Baron Vonskinnback @TCMuffin @Wen @benroyce @Funwithphotos absolutely, left to stew in it's own far right juices until it collapses in a heap of empire exceptionalism & nationalism, wrapped in a forever irrelevant flag full of bad memories & regret...
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Jayne :wales_flag:🇪🇺🏳️🌈 (tcmuffin@toot.wales)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2024 02:29:09 JST Jayne :wales_flag:🇪🇺🏳️🌈 If Scotland and NI leave the UK, hopefully Wales would be next 👍
England is the outlier.
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Wen (wen@mastodon.scot)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2024 02:29:10 JST Wen It's not just Edinburgh (I know you probably used that as a marker). Scots in general take a different view of communality, one which threatens the London establishment. Who knows, other parts of the UK might take up the demands for fairness and decent services.
As far as Westminster is concerned, that way lies anarchy and a loss of their control.
Scotland and NI leaving might result in an even bigger shock for them.
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Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2024 02:29:11 JST Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote american here
the way i see it, the values and norms dominant in edinburgh are closer to the values and norms dominant in brussels than they are to the values and norms dominant in london
so to me it would not be scotland leaving the uk, it would be scotland remaining in the eu
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Funwithphotos (funwithphotos@mastodon.scot)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2024 02:29:12 JST Funwithphotos Give the NY Times credit, they've nailed conservative Britain. See below this is what all Americans think of Britain and we unfortunately get tarred by the same brush. Labour won’t be any better. It’s time to wake up Scotland and fight for our country. WE NEED OUR #independence are #youyesyet ?
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Mrs Cloudy (cloudymrs@mastodon.scot)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2024 03:14:18 JST Mrs Cloudy @TCMuffin @Wen @jonburr @Vonskinnback @benroyce @Funwithphotos No, those are all UK state reasons. I mean, the visceral reaction expressed by many English individuals towards the very idea that people in the other nations of the UK do not want to be part of the UK. It's like they feel personally insulted. Why would that be?
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Jayne :wales_flag:🇪🇺🏳️🌈 (tcmuffin@toot.wales)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2024 03:14:19 JST Jayne :wales_flag:🇪🇺🏳️🌈 @Wen @CloudyMrs @jonburr @Vonskinnback @benroyce @Funwithphotos
😂😂😂
For now let’s try…
1. Scottish oil, gas, and hydroelectric power.
2. Welsh water and wind power.
Of course this ignores all the decades England exploited our iron and coal whilst shipping the profits back to England 🤷
England can’t afford to lose Scotland and Wales 😜
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Mrs Cloudy (cloudymrs@mastodon.scot)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2024 03:17:01 JST Mrs Cloudy @TCMuffin @Wen @jonburr @Vonskinnback @benroyce @Funwithphotos I was hoping the insulted English person might know.💁♂️
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Jayne :wales_flag:🇪🇺🏳️🌈 (tcmuffin@toot.wales)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2024 03:17:03 JST Jayne :wales_flag:🇪🇺🏳️🌈 @CloudyMrs @Wen @jonburr @Vonskinnback @benroyce @Funwithphotos
I’m afraid have no idea 🤷
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Mrs Cloudy (cloudymrs@mastodon.scot)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2024 03:25:19 JST Mrs Cloudy @TCMuffin @Wen @jonburr @Vonskinnback @benroyce @Funwithphotos yip.
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Jayne :wales_flag:🇪🇺🏳️🌈 (tcmuffin@toot.wales)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2024 03:25:20 JST Jayne :wales_flag:🇪🇺🏳️🌈 @CloudyMrs @Wen @jonburr @Vonskinnback @benroyce @Funwithphotos
The visceral English reaction to us leaving reminds me of someone clinging on to a relationship which long ago became toxic to both parties, but one half is hanging onto the legs of the other as they try to leave the house to start a new and better life 🤷
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Mrs Cloudy (cloudymrs@mastodon.scot)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2024 17:08:33 JST Mrs Cloudy @jonburr @Wen @Vonskinnback @TCMuffin @benroyce @Funwithphotos enraged might be putting it a bit strongly but you definitely seem to be taking it personally with your earlier comment. It isn't our responsibility to save England from itself any more than it should be our misfortune to suffer from England's endless poor decisions.
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jonburr (jonburr@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2024 17:08:34 JST jonburr @CloudyMrs @Wen @Vonskinnback @TCMuffin @benroyce @Funwithphotos
Please show me in any of my posts where I have said I am against independence, yet alone "enraged" by it.
It would be bad news for anyone in England who is left-leaning and hates the tories, but imho each county has a right to govern itself.
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Mrs Cloudy (cloudymrs@mastodon.scot)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2024 17:10:11 JST Mrs Cloudy @jonburr @Wen @Vonskinnback @TCMuffin @benroyce @Funwithphotos "It's so nice being English and feeling the warmth of your neighbours..." sounds chippy, not supportive of our right to make different decisions.
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