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   Matthew Skala (mattskala@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 00:45:10 JST Matthew Skala

   CEO of "WW," which is the new (2018) name for the former WeightWatchers, says that "it’s on us to do better so that we can help people feel positive and destigmatize this conversation around obesity."

   That's certainly an example of something, isn't it? WW quote from https://www.salon.com/2023/11/28/we-got-it-wrong-weightwatchers-ceo-embraces-life-saving-weight-loss/ - Salon isn't my favourite source but almost all other reporting on this is video. Other quote is from my own piece at https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/372 .

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 00:44:58 JST Sexy Moon

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     @mattskala @progo I suspect the Internet just finally caught up to them and it was impossible to hide that most of their customers fail so they had to restructure their mission so staying fat isn't a fail state anymore
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     Matthew Skala (mattskala@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 00:44:59 JST Matthew Skala

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     @progo It seems clear that obesity isn't really just one thing, so what works and what's a problem for one person isn't going to be the same for someone else. Weight Watchers is one of those things - it works for some and not for others. (Much like Alcoholics Anonymous.) What I find really interesting here is the abandonment of the original mission, and glossing of that as some sort of *return* to the true mission which was previously misunderstood. That's part of a larger pattern.

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     Matthew Skala (mattskala@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 00:44:59 JST Matthew Skala

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     @progo If someone believes that "lose weight" is not a good goal to have, then maybe that person should not be CEO of Weight Watchers. If the organization itself believes that, maybe it should shut itself down. Saying "Actually our *real* goal is social justice for fat people" seems like not a good way to go. There are other organizations for that.

     Worse if they'd been a charity, of course. As a for-profit corp it's understandable they'd go where the profits seem to be.

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     progo in NYC (progo@boop.city)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 00:45:05 JST progo in NYC

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     @mattskala What has stigma got to do with all this? Most fat people are physically capable of losing weight and improving their health. If you don't acknowledge the problem and the solutions, you're going to keep dragging excess weight around and constantly feel like shit. On the other hand, you can do something about it and start to feel better in a month.

     I'm pretty sure if I took Ozempic I'd feel a lot worse.

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     progo in NYC (progo@boop.city)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 00:45:09 JST progo in NYC

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     @mattskala I haven't always eaten the best food, and I haven't been physically active enough. I'm fat. I tried intermittent fasting (8 hour eating window each day), eating better, and exercising. I started to lose weight and I felt physically better and that affected everything else. I got sick a couple of times and just fell out of the good habits, and the weight and problems came back. I'm back on the good habits in the last month and hoping to stick to it this time.

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 00:46:15 JST feld

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     @mattskala it's pretty obvious at this point that it's more profitable to sell things obese people want instead of trying to convince them to buy your products for weight loss.
     
     Especially with Ozempic being prescribed for weight loss now.
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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 00:47:27 JST NEETzsche

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     @Moon Next up: Alcoholics Anonymous isn't about not drinking, it's about social justice for drunkards
     
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     Matthew Skala (mattskala@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 00:48:25 JST Matthew Skala

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     @NEETzsche @progo @Moon If that hasn't already happened, it well may.

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 00:48:49 JST feld

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     @Moon @progo @mattskala 1-800-94-JENNY
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     Matthew Skala (mattskala@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 00:49:40 JST Matthew Skala

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     @Moon @progo I don't know, I think if that were the only mechanism behind this it would have happened sooner.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 00:49:40 JST Sexy Moon

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     @mattskala @progo well I mean there's also an aggressive attempt to normalize obesity, that's fairly new
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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 00:50:17 JST NEETzsche

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     @mattskala Alcoholics Anonymous is a cult with its own theology, literally. It has concepts in it like "dry drunk" for people who don't drink but act like alcoholics. And by that I mean literally everybody.
     
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 00:52:00 JST feld

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     @Moon @progo @mattskala also wow Time Magazine is kinda based
     
     https://time.com/6332910/ozempic-americas-obesity-crisis/
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 00:54:04 JST Sexy Moon

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     @feld @progo @mattskala this change would also possibly be because even the facade of dieting no longer has hope against the systemic causes of american obesity.
     
     nothing will be done about any of those causes, so...
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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 00:57:25 JST NEETzsche

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     @Moon which systemic causes come to mind?
     
     @feld @progo @mattskala
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 00:58:26 JST Sexy Moon

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     @NEETzsche @feld @progo @mattskala subsidizing corn products, food "scientists" spent a trillion designing junk food to be addictive as possible
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     dictatordave (dictatordave@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 01:05:34 JST dictatordave

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     @progo @feld @mattskala @Moon yea in general you want to make sure you get proper nutrition, however, people have just eaten twinkies and stayed in a calorie deficit and had success
     
     but i wouldn't recommend it for most
     
     now if you're an intermediate lifter hitting good intensity in your work outs 5 days a week, go for it, eat dirty from time to time
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     dictatordave (dictatordave@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 01:05:40 JST dictatordave

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     @Moon @feld @progo @mattskala 500 calorie deficit and some moderate exercise 3 times a week
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     progo in NYC (progo@boop.city)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 01:05:40 JST progo in NYC

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     @dictatordave @feld @mattskala @Moon also food quality is important. Find foods that aren't trash food that you can and will prepare for yourself and eat. Keep eating trash food and you'll rot.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 01:06:50 JST Sexy Moon

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     @dictatordave @feld @progo @mattskala bodybuilders will drink a coke right after their workout to get glucose replenishment as fast as possible. bodybuilding isn't healthy though
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 01:07:05 JST feld

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     @Moon @progo @mattskala @dictatordave bodybuilding is REALLY bad for you. Terrible on your organs lol
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 01:08:48 JST Sexy Moon

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     @feld @progo @mattskala @dictatordave yeah, but I should mention I didn't mean to imply weight training is the same as bodybuilding, just compare and contrast, but bodybuilding is also hyper-focused on re-uptake of nutrients so things can be learned from it.
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     brimshae (brimshae@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 01:08:53 JST brimshae

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     @Moon @feld @progo @mattskala @dictatordave Distance runners usually have a beer or two after a half/marathon/ultra. They are often provided at events.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 01:10:20 JST feld

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     @progo @dictatordave @mattskala @Moon John Cisna lost weight on a McDonalds-only diet
     
     https://www.today.com/health/man-loses-56-pounds-after-eating-only-mcdonalds-six-months-2d79329158
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     progo in NYC (progo@boop.city)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 01:10:24 JST progo in NYC

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     @dictatordave @feld @mattskala @Moon it's true; Thunderf00t said he "lost weight eating mostly McDonald's on an American road trip". "Oh and also I was hiking a LOT."

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     Will2Power (will2power@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 01:10:53 JST Will2Power

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     @brimshae @Moon @dictatordave @feld @mattskala @progo Most running events I've been to have beer after.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 01:11:34 JST feld

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     @Will2Power @progo @mattskala @brimshae @dictatordave @Moon cycling events too
     
     beer is actually a really good recovery but the alcohol hits you hard haha
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 01:13:45 JST feld

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     @Moon @progo @mattskala @dictatordave wife was into the bodybuilding scene 2017-2019, we still have friends in it. You should see these people eat after their competition is over. Holy fuck, they eat like animals and get super wasted haha
     
     and then they have a really really bad week after because it's such a shock to their system
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     Jim (sullybiker@sully.site)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 01:13:52 JST Jim

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     @Moon @feld @progo @mattskala I think it's similar to anything that is at the extreme end of physical performance. For example some ultra-marathon people do horrible shit to themselves.

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     Will2Power (will2power@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 01:14:13 JST Will2Power

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     @feld @progo @mattskala @brimshae @dictatordave @Moon True, I remember after one run I grabbed two beers in an empty stomach and it really hit me. I also used to drink a shower beer after a run back in the day.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 01:14:38 JST Sexy Moon

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     @feld @progo @mattskala @dictatordave yeah literally everything is centered around: muscle gain and aesthetics--until tournament time, then cutting fat without losing mass.