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Arnfinn Pettersen (arnfinnp@oslo.town)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 02:52:00 JST Arnfinn Pettersen

Pakistan further tightens their already absurd blasphemy laws, that are regularly used against minorities in the country.
#blasphemy
https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/south-asia/pakistan-tightens-blasphemy-laws-b2267307.html

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  Seems like #Pakistan should, alas, be in the upper right-hand corner, too.
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  1. Argentina POLARIZATION The 2023 Edelman Trust Barometer found that six countries are now considered to be "severely polarized". The state of divisiveness in Argentina is commonly known as la grieta, or the rift. Colombia Edelman has identified four metrics to watch: Countries in this zone are very divided and doubtful that differences can be overcome. AT RISK 1 Economic Anxieties 2 Institutional Imbalance 3 Class Divide 4 Battle for Truth U.S. SEVERELY POLARIZED Brazil S. Korea S. Africa Nigeria Mexico Spain France Thailand Sweden Japan UK MODERATELY India Neth. Italy Kenya My country is very/extremely divided →>>> ? POLARIZED Malaysia Germany LESS POLARIZED Saudi Arabia Canada AT RISK Australia Singapore JENO 30 FEEDBA UAE Indonesia China Ireland Nations with a fair economic outlook and high trust in institutions including China, Singapore, and India are less polarized. I do not feel these divisions can be overcome Survey of 32,000+ people from 28 countries Source: 2023 Edelman Trust Barometer visualcapitalist.com
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  @HistoPol @arnfinnp how is India less polarized? I'm by know means an expert on India but people there love Modi? And China is less polarized how exactly? There's no competition allowed so it's all hunky dory?
  
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  Good evening Philip. Thank you for this interesting new question. I am not the author of the chart and don't proclaim to be an expert on #India. IMO (i.e. superficial) the religious and political divides would qualify it for being a more devided country, I'd say.
  My contacts @suswatibasu and @AmitR, on the other hand, are experts on India and might want to weigh in your point.
  #China is definitely less polarized for several reasons, e.g.:
  1) The...
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  ...#CCP is now even able to control the narratives on all social and other media within the #GreatFirewallOfChina, not only apply effective #centureship. They even have been using #Orwellian #ThoughtControll techniques, prohibiting the use of certain words, sometimes temporarily.
  2) Apart from ethnic minorities, which are often brutally supressed (e.g. the #Uyghurs), there really aren't the type of #CultureWars...
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  ...seen in the West, as society is much more homogenous (I am aware of the big social divide b/w cities and the countryside, but still).
  This as a starting point for #China.
  (I can really recommend #TheEconomist's podcast series on China, like #DrumTower and the biography of President #Xi.)
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  I'd say #Russia would be similar to #China, however as the #Kremlin is still 6-18 months away from achieving #AI integration of its "Firewall" and still has to rely on manual labor to follow up on all red flags, privately, people are more diverse than they are in #China with its 99% filtered information.
  IMO all authoritarian governments (#China, #Russia, #SaudiArabia, #Katar, maybe #NorthKorea and #Iran?) have been trying to boost the #culturewars
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  Most of the countries on the bottom left are autocracies or brutal dictatorships. There is no point in even considering them.
  Locking up or silencing minorities doesn't create a national consensus.
  Where would Russia stand?
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  ...in the West on #SocialMedia.
  Two prime examples are the #TwitterTakeover, with direkt investments by #SaudiArabia, #Katar, and #China, as well as indirect financiing through ads by #Russia.
  Another example is the #CCP's propaganda and #PsyOps platform #TikTok.
  (see my posts earlier today).
  #MarinaWeisband (@afelia) sprach unlängst mit (recht anhnungslosen Europapolitikern darüber) und es gab auch eine Podcast-Diskussion zum Thema vor kurzem.
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  I have not followed #Argentine news in the last couple of years, but is #Argentina really more devided than, say, #Brazil or the #US?
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  Y claro: ¡Argentina campeón!
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  Good, just wanted to make sure, as I don't agree 100%.
  I do like the idea and the layout, though.
  Oh, and I also think #Israel should be in the top-right category.
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  @HistoPol @suswatibasu @AmitR @arnfinnp didn't think you made it. 😁
  
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  At least, as much.
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  HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 03:54:24 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
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  Según este gráfico, #Argentina debe ser un polvorín.
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    Attached: 1 image @arnfinnp@oslo.town Seems like #Pakistan should, alas, be in the upper right-hand corner, too.
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  Wow. Vieron esto?
  #Argentina
  
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  Exacto! Así que debería de haber otros países más arriba de Argentina.
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  Comparándola con países con guerras civiles, todavía safa.
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  De que lo que veo, no, por lo menos no en su territorio (e.g. Arabia Saudí en Yemen, sí.)
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  Eso iba a decir. Pareciera que son países que no están en guerra directa.
  
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  Claro, pero no están en la lista.
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  Último(?) comentario antes de que me vaya a dormir:
  Si te resulta "hilarante" que te dé mi opinión acerca de la política de un país que conozco desde antes de que vos naciste, no me leas.
  No tengo problemas con que no estés de acuerdo conmigo o que me corrijas en cuestiones que desconozco. Por algo estamos debatiendo, proponiendo ideas e intercambiando argumentos.
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  pero al menos pudo "gobernar" sin oposición real).
  La izquierda argentina, fuera del peronismo, es irrelevante en el juego del poder.
  Lo bueno que se puede decir del peronismo actual (o sea: desde Néstor) es que ha dejado realmente de lado sus tendencias totalitarias y es un partido que juega según reglas democráticas, al meno a nivel nacional. Caudillos provinciales son otra cosa.
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  o su parte progre, nunca tuvo relevancia real.
  Obvio que para la derecha el enemigo siempre fue el peronismo porque tienen una fuerte base electoral que le sigue ciegamente y una base de poder extraparlamentaria que son los sindicatos (que les hicieron imposibles las vidas a Alfonsín y de la Rúa que heredaron más mierda de los gobiernos anteriores que cualquier otro gobierno de la historia argentina - bueno, Alberto tampoco la tuvo fácil,
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  El peronismo es más religión que partido político, corrientes sectarias inclusive, desde montoneros a menemistas y triple A.
  Esto no quita sus grandes logros sociales. No ha sido por nada el movimiento más importante del país en caso 80 años (¡Pucha! ¡Cuanto tiempo!), desde el voto femenino hasta, como decís, los hospitales públicos.
  Yo no soy "antiperonista". Veo lo bueno (mucho) y lo malo (también mucho).
  La izquierda argentina, sea el trotskismo
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  @mina @HistoPol @arnfinnp Y yo no solo no estoy de acuerdo con tu apreciación sino que me resulta hilarante que gente que no es de Argentina quiera venir a explicarnos el Peronismo a los argentinos. Y encima con categorías que acá, al menos, quedaron obsoletas hace tiempo.
  Si, hay cosas cuestionables del Peronismo. Si, Menem merece todos los desecramientos posibles a su tumba por el daño que hizo tanto al país como al Peronismo.
  NO, de ninguna manera eso invalida que gracias al Peronismo tenemos universidades gratuitas, salud pública gratuita, y millones de otros beneficios para el pueblo. Por algo el grito es "Perón, Evita, Néstor y Cristina".
  Y por algo lo que se llama "derecha" considera más enemigo al Peronismo que a la izquierda.
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  […]
  Vale también la pena acordarse que la política neoliberal más feroz de la historia argentina (junto con la institucionalización total de la corrupción y el indulto a los represores) fue peronista¹.»
  ¹Dejo afuera el pasajero, y aparentemente desastroso, gobierno de Macri, ya que justo estos años, me mantuve un poco lejos de la política argentina, y no puedo decir mucho.
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  Lo que escribí fue una ampliación de este comentario:
  «Para una persona que cree en la democracia, digamos un radical, e incluso para algunos liberales, tiene mucho más sentido votar a un candidato peronista que a un facho como Milei, por más que los peronistas que dividen el mundo entre "nosotros" y "gorilas" no lo entienden.
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  @HistoPol @mina @arnfinnp There are only two political currents in Argentina: Peronism and Antiperonism. Everything else eventually falls into one of the sides.
  What calls itself the "left wing" has marched and sided with oligarchs, child labor proponents, and the supremacists that love to call themselves "libertarians". All because they see Peronism as their actual enemy. And the factions that refused to side with the aforementioned assholes eventually sided with Peronism.
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  I agree that currently all reasonable forces have allied with Peronism to avert literal fascism.
  Otherwise, what you're saying is a very particular view on things, to which I don't agree at all.
  A couple of day ago, I wrote a few words on this topic (in Spanish):
  https://berlin.social/@mina/111399699403662490
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  ...I tried to find this panel discussion (podcast) of yours again from a few weeks ago again regarding the influence of the Kremlin and others on our #SocialMedia, but could not find it anymore.
  May I ask you to drop the link to it here again?
  (You also mentioned in that pod that you recently had a talk with members of the European Parliament about this, too.)
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