@coolboymew Not even just spec, but also fit and finish. The normal one is just made out of normal ass aluminum, but the pro is made out of aerospace grade titanium
@coolboymew You have to pay an 30$ activation fee on the base model, but Apple includes that in the pros price so it's really only 70$ difference for a masssssive spec bump
@coolboymew I was planning on getting the Plus, but the pro is only 70$ more and doesn't have all the flaws, so it seems like it's almost pointless to have the plus or base model at all
@coolboymew Brah it's not just this, the base model iPhones are actually kinda ass. The base model also only has a 60 hertz display They need to just kill off the base model entirely and ONLY offer the pro
@feld@lanodan@ocean you're basically paying the big price and subsidizing their R&D so that they can eventually use all this shit in their other products (M1, M2). Don't do this
@lanodan@ocean@coolboymew flag ship androids are like 800-1000 just like crapple now. They are still a few hundred bucks cheaper but they arent as cheap as they used to be.
@lanodan@ocean@coolboymew i use a google pixel 6. Personally id love a pixel fold when they come out but like i hate everything google is doing. But they are the only android phones i kinda like. I do wanna look into other os to put on my phone that doesnt fucking restrict my access without rooting it
@birdulon@ocean@coolboymew Which is just horrible, you can't actually use a smartphone as a general purpose computer, both the software and the hardware are made locked and dumbed down. You can't actually do important shit on a smartphone. And they become worthless fast.
@lanodan@ocean@coolboymew the market forces make sense when you realize smartphones are some people's entire computing budgets and they sell or trade-in their previous model
@skylar@ocean@coolboymew For a 1K$ you can get a thinkpad, sure they're not as good as they used to be but I'd say they're decent. (There's no *good* laptop anymore though)
@lanodan@ocean@coolboymew there are no decent laptops for a thousand burger town fun coupons it will be some horrible consumer trash made of bottom bin parts and plastic, featuring an extra dim, low-resolution display powered by the most underpowered integrated graphics on the market that choke on rendering a browser window of static text and images at 1366x768. you will pick it up by the corner and it will bend to a disturbing degree. it will feature the slowest dogshit WiFi card on the market with equally dogshit drivers, and the only USB-C port will get loose by the 7th month of use and fail completely at 15 months, so it may never be charged again.
@lanodan@ocean@coolboymew They can do everything they want to on it, including things artificially restricted from being done on general purpose computers. They don't care about 5 year product lifetimes because they planned to trade up to a newer model in that timeframe anyway.
@ocean@lanodan@birdulon Yeah, they use their phone as their "computers", but they end up doing nothing in particular with them, they basically end up using a completely cucked computer. They absolutely don't attach a mouse and keyboard and does fancy shit on it
@skylar@ocean@coolboymew Laptops are *all* going to shit even though they never really were good devices even right from the start. Hence why I have low standards for them. I wouldn't hope that a docking station would work fine, in fact I would bet on them being broken in a way or another.
And honestly I'd almost say that a corporation which ever forced laptops for work has always been about forcing garbage machines that cannot ever be relied on onto their employees.
@lanodan@ocean@coolboymew it's ogre thinkpads are now somehow worse than the crummiest consumer laptops. lenovo's entire QC team must only exist to meet their quota of employees with disabilities, cause everyone on it is legitimately retarded. at work we couldn't get our normal choice of HP elitebooks and zbooks during the coof and settled for thinkpads. at least a quarter of them had to be sent in for warranty repairs within a couple months, the docking stations never worked right so every morning there were multiple tickets in about monitors not working. unplug it a few times, reboot, rub it counterclockwise while standing on one foot, try and align it with the moons of saturn, attempt firmware updates and driver updates/rollbacks in vain, nothing changed and they'd break again tomorrow. people went back to 4-6 year old HP elitebooks that were beat to shit and had batteries that couldn't last an hour. some of em probably got thrown in the e-waste before the warranty was even up they were so bad. i had a personal thinkpad i got for cheap a long time before that, and even then it was mediocre at best. the good memories folks have must come from back when they were owned by IBM.
@coolboymew@ocean@skylar Yeah, worst part of salaryman WFH but some corporations do allow you to get desktops with them paying either the full price or a part of it.
I could maybe understand laptops for temporary employees but when it's for one you hire for several years it's just being greedy.
Otherwise for big tasks we just bought gamer laptops instead of getting garbo HP contracts and it's somehow working well so far
Some of the weirdest computer issues I've had were with HP. Their dual integrated + graphic card shit literally does not work, I've seen like 3 different laptops of theirs in a row that fucked up in that regard
@coolboymew@ocean@skylar Wild but makes sense in a way, base likely also comes with extra battery. And other than with Xorg external GPUs are likely well supported by now.
Hopefully the base can be locked like on transformables rather than iPad "just sitting on it" style.
@coolboymew@lanodan@ocean wait til you see the wild shit microsoft pulls with their surface books the base is detachable. the nvidia card is in the base. their QC are also wankers, but if you manage to get a good one, it's a decent computing experience.
@lanodan@ocean@coolboymew there is an extra battery down there, and it does lock on so it's usable as an ordinary laptop or a tablet. it's just a key on the keyboard to release it, and it won't do it if an application is using the nvidia card, unless you press and hold for the emergency disconnect. also the charger cord/docking cord will plug straight into the tablet-lid so it's still usable if there's a problem with the base. it's a clever, well executed design, but QC was just not their strength. and until the newest ones, they're impossible to repair or upgrade.
@mischievoustomato@lanodan@ocean@coolboymew god i remember android 7 on my galaxy s6 and note edge i had to temporarily use that had a 20 min battery life, or a 1 hr battery life...on ultra power saving mode
@mischievoustomato@coolboymew@lanodan@ocean it was my dads old phone and you can imagine how heavily used it was since that nonexistant battery life, im assuming it was atleast 2 hrs a charge wen it was new
@birdulon@lanodan@ocean@coolboymew pretty much all laptops are serviceable. i pull a lot of SSDs to be secure erased and the majority are easy to access.
Keyboard replacement? Pain on at least 3/4 of laptops and you're pretty much done for if there's no official spare parts because it's model-dependent. Fan replacement? That's where I'd draw the serviceable line at.
@skylar@lanodan@ocean@coolboymew >the good memories folks have must come from back when they were owned by IBM. A lot of it feels like a cargo cult a few generations down the line when nobody has even seen first hand what a proper laptop is supposed to be.
It's easy to think the chiclet keyboard isn't a problem when you don't have a T60 sitting next to you. It's easy to think 16:9 with a 3cm bottom bezel and 2cm top bezel is an acceptable use of space if you don't have a laptop that was actually designed to fit the panel chosen. The TrackPoint is a rare feature and the best pointer on them... except other laptops have better touchpads, and the Tex Shinobi's TrackPoint blows the Lenovo ones out of the water.
But that's ok, because ThinkPads are built with serviceability in mind unlike consumer jun- wait what's that? One of the SODIMMs is soldered? Who cares, I can still get 40GB running at a lower frequency because of mismatched memory channels, nobody should want 64GB anyway, ThinkPad Master Race!
@skylar@lanodan@ocean@coolboymew It's funny, even back in the early/mid '00s when ThinkPads had service manuals and simple, robust procedures for replacing every possible component of interest including screens and CPUs, contemporary business laptops from HP and the like also had them. I can't speak to the true IBM days which may well be peak ThinkPad for all I know. Some impressions may well be people buying used 2007 business laptops in 2015 and thinking the brand is an outlier in the market rather than that the market has changed.
@skylar@ocean@coolboymew@birdulon Which is literally why laptops aren't worth it anymore, corporations are their highest buyers by far and they'll throw them away at the slightest hint of them being not worth it anymore (warranties are supposed to be to fix factory issues, they're not something like maintenance contracts).
So they just make flimsy plastic shit and since most corporations don't evaluate the hardware before getting bulks, they're also low-quality, with people using weird workarounds instead.
@lanodan@ocean@coolboymew@birdulon all of those are kinda things where if it's old enough to be out of warranty, it's probably time to e-waste it could i look up the manufacturer's procedure to disassemble it, locate a part number, track down a place to order it from, and then put it back together with the new one? sure but with the amount of time it'd take times my billable rate (or even desktop support's) for a 3+ year old laptop? nope you're getting a new one.
@lanodan@ocean@coolboymew@skylar I've worked for 12 years in a company that supplied exclusively laptops for work and they've been fine, until management insisted they wanted ultrabooks. Ultrabooks are not meant for the rigors of 8 hours a day, 5 days a week usage, their tiny fans have to spin extra fast to compensate for the quick heat build up in their small cases and the bearings wear out, the hinges are smaller and weaker and they're extra annoying to service for tasks that in-house IT used to be able to do quickly. Oh and the batteries are smaller and as such their capacity drops to inadequate levels faster. Ultrabooks are fine for personal computers, they're just not work machines; just like you wouldn't bring a sports car to haul cargo.
Current job's asked me when hiring me what laptop I wanted, I asked an HP Elitebook 840 G9. Thing's been stable and reliable so far.
@skylar@ocean@coolboymew@birdulon Yeah charities are probably too volunteer-based to really be able to deal with much corporate hardware. Here there is some reuse/recycling corporations.
@coolboymew@lanodan@ocean@birdulon the last time i tried they never responded to my email maybe "skylar's dumb shit fund" could be a charity, except i don't need more money i need more time off work
@birdulon@lanodan@ocean@coolboymew sometimes i feel bad for taking like a couple tons of e-waste a year to the scrapyard that accepts it. disposal is my responsibility so it's mine to do what i want with it after the drives are secure erased and it's removed from inventory, but i don't have the time or energy to test things out, separate the good from the bad, clean it up, list it for sale somewhere, and then deal with people who are probably annoying cheap fucks to sell it. i give away the good shit to friends for free and the rest gets recycled.
Maybe there's more charities around? Hell, maybe even dumping them at a local computer store. It's not really about the money, but just not immediately trashing working laptops
@coolboymew@rdr@lanodan@ocean some day *all* help desk issues will be officially not your problem. AND you'll have the power to send them back when they try. "escalated to network engineering"? the SAN and hypervisor cluster are fine, here's proof, go open a ticket with the software vendor
@rdr@lanodan@ocean@skylar I have a freaking macbook for work because I needed one for the weird deeper Mac OS problems and not having one on hand to mess with wouldn't have helped me to learn to fix these issues
@skylar@lanodan@ocean@coolboymew >there are no good laptops for a grand The M1 MacBook Air is for sale at that price and is a fantastic value if you get over your autism about buttons for five seconds
@sapphire@ocean@coolboymew@skylar Sysadmins could pretty much work with a VT200 and maybe an ESP32 if they'd need wireless, only reason they have modern machines is for either test VMs (or to get a real OS) or webshit.
@lanodan@coolboymew@ocean@skylar Not that you'd know what its like, considering you're an unemployed package goblin for OSes used by other unemployed losers, but I sysadmin on a macbook and its more than adequate
@sapphire@ocean@coolboymew@skylar IIRC the Air has only 2 USB-C ports and no Ethernet. Meaning OS development, specially networked-focused isn't going to be a thing you can comfortably do with it.
And you'd probably need to offload any slightly heavy compilation to another machine due to the shitty thermals of the Air, meaning you'd pretty much need to have access to an actual machine (quite like sysadmins typically do with connecting to servers).
High schools and colleges want current hardware so current software runs on them. Their students won't get hired if the version of MSWord they're familiar with is from the WinXP days.
@guizzy@lanodan@ocean@coolboymew@birdulon no institution wants old machines, especially random old machines. the best bet is getting them into the hands of relatively tech savvy individuals who can troubleshoot and fix future problems. >oh, this stick of RAM is going bad? lemme stick another from my RAM bucket in and test if that fixes it. no? it was the CPU? let's try a spare from the CPU pile.
@coolboymew@birdulon@lanodan@ocean@skylar I get the point of the OS for schools, reduce complexity to the bare minimum and you get rid of most of the technical problems that teachers don't have time or knowledge to deal with. But it's such a waste that so many purposely gimped, low-end machines get built and tossed while companies struggle with what to do with much more powerful mid-range/high-end business computers they're replacing. I understand there's reasons why schools might be reluctant to source used/refurbished computers like this unless they're able to get all the same model of computer for everyone, but still.