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   mmmfeet (mmmfeet@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 10:47:17 JST mmmfeet

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   There's a new flavor of controlled opposition rightoid every week
   
   RT: https://freespeechextremist.com/objects/c15e8445-77d0-49cf-b361-ec5b79c2968f
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     @CatLord @mmmfeet @p Yeah, just a Brit who is assblasted that there was a group of white men who took on the entire British Empire and won.

     And just think, the entire time, Germany still thought that the British could be reasoned with.

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     @Codeki @CatLord @mmmfeet I'm an American, you subhuman.
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     @mmmfeet @p I don't reckon he's conop. Just a fucking sperg.
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     /pol/ was never good, but it got much more not good. /k/ is full of people like me, non-soy Ukraine supporters (I know Jonny, no such thing).
     
     I mean I support what Ukraine COULD become in 10-20 years under NATO, just another Poland, not so much what it is/was before the war.
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     @mischievoustomato @mmmfeet @shedinja I don't know, I haven't been around those parts, but I do hear /pol/ is infested with bots and shills.
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     @p @mmmfeet @shedinja inb4 the germs on pol and rw sites are all agents
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     @mmmfeet @p >we MUST eliminate the evil German menace from our land because...uh well we just have to!!
     >the Africans and spics raping and murdering our children? We can't get rid of them! That's just part and parcel of living in a diverse society goy!
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     > because...uh well we just have to!!
     
     I elaborated, but if you would like more, I'm happy to:
     
     German feds, per https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/german-domestic-intelligence-running-100s-fake-right-wing-extremist-social-media (which allegedly the US government is aware of, per https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30528382 ):
     
     > “In order to be really credible, it is not enough to share or like what others say, you also have to make statements yourself. That means that the agents also bully and agitate,” says the report of an agent who claims to have joined the agency to “do something against right-wing extremists.” This involves actively encouraging people in their worldview, but she says it is her job to “feed” the scene.
     
     The BND was legally enjoined from carrying out surveillance directly ( https://rsf.org/en/worldwide-mass-surveillance-germany-s-intelligence-service-declared-unconstitutional-landmark ), so they have started laundering it through BMBF-funded projects like https://prototypefund.de/en/project/hatespeech-tracker/ , whose actions made the news recently ( https://thepostmillennial.com/german-government-funds-research-project-that-doxxed-libs-of-tik-tok ).
     
     Then there's this: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-experiment-that-placed-foster-children-with-pedophiles .
     
     Then there's all the Josef Fritz shit, Mozard huffing farts, two World Wars, and that's before we even start talking about Germans that I know personally.
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     @shibao @p @shedinja @mmmfeet @mischievoustomato
     >You guys RUINED 4CHAN!
     >it was so great back when it started, in 2016!
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     @shibao @p @shedinja @mmmfeet @mischievoustomato
     So /pol/ and /k/ are just two retarded extremes, but on opposite sides? I can get behind that; I agree.
     
     The Ukraine war is much more complicated than "Putler bad" or "Russia just wants to protect its borders". But although we shouldn't understand it as strictly binary "Good vs Evil", whether we should let them take it or not is quite binary, although our methods to do so aren't
     
     Unless the west starts becoming okay with open imperialist expansion to take new land, we must do everything we can to stop nations that are, becacause Ukraine's land will still be there long after me, you, and Putin are dead.
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     @Pyrrho @mischievoustomato @mmmfeet @shedinja
     
     > We "freed" Germany from Hitler only to hand half of it to the Soviets and the other half to the CIA.
     
     South America. Look at South America. Look at South America from the sinking of the USS Maine to the asset forfeiture.
     
     So I say "we" but that's "we" as in "the government and the boots on the ground directed by the government" and I don't trust our government to run *our* country, let alone trust them to run both this one and whatever countries they've most recently decided to free the shit out of. If the Ukrainians "deserve" freedom, certainly the Russians do too, right? Should we send arms and troops to Russia also? Should we invade China? Who *shouldn't* we invade? Who isn't free enough?
     
     And that's even if we take as read the motivations of the people claiming to want to free all these people. That doesn't appear to have been the motivation at any point, but it has sure as hell been the cover story for how many wars?
     
     Geopolitics is fascinating but once the rhetoric starts, it ceases being remotely interesting. That is, it's interesting to analyze, it's interesting to look at, it's interesting to say "Well, if this happens, this will happen", or "If they want this, this is a good move; since they're doing it, maybe they want this". The second "we should" or (god forbid) "we must" comes into play, it's just a sales call.
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     @Pyrrho @mischievoustomato @mmmfeet @shedinja
     
     > Putin's Russia wanted to rebuild the USSR from day one, and you don't rebuild an ideological empire the second time sans the ideology.
     
     I don't think it's accurate to say that he wanted to rebuild the ideological empire. Regaining superpower status and cultural influence, sure; no one wants their country to slip into "rogue state with nukes" territory.
     
     At any rate, it's kind of pointless to argue what Putin wants deep down. He's doing what he wants, it's easier to just look at that. I don't like what he wants but this is very different from deciding that this means picking a fight with him is a good idea.
     
     > Every ex-USSR country to join NATO was better off for it.
     
     Military ties don't come without economic ties. Every country that is getting the "Belt and Road" cash is better for it. This has nothing to do with whether it is a good idea to pick a fight with Russia.
     
     > Giving the corrupt shithole that is Ukraine, to Russia, is a massive L for the west, not even considering the actual humans that live there and deserve, like all human begins, unironically, to live in freedom, or at least a freer place than Putin's Russia.
     
     Everyone affixing moral language to geopolitics is wrong about geopolitics. Geopolitical issues are fundamentally amoral: the moral pleas only enter with propaganda, which is designed to get the broader populace to beat the war drum
     
     I would like very much for everyone to be free. This is different from levying a tax to pay for a war conducted with the ostensible purpose of making them free. See also: all of our overseas adventurism since the beginning of this country. We "freed" Germany from Hitler only to hand half of it to the Soviets and the other half to the CIA.
     
     > I could go on all day about American imperialiam, our damaged political systems, failing middle class, etc, but we don't have to be perfect to be better than a mobsterstate.
     
     Who says Russia's wonderful? I say we are poking Russia on a regular basis and that this is not helpful to do, and that I don't think we ought to participate in that war. It doesn't matter that I say this, because we're doing it anyway. I don't know what point you're arguing against, but I don't think it's any point I made.
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     Putin's Russia wanted to rebuild the USSR from day one, and you don't rebuild an ideological empire the second time sans the ideology. Every ex-USSR country to join NATO was better off for it.
     
     Russia even has its own NATO, the CTSO; they'd be advancing on us if they could, except half of them are supporting Ukraine. For real. And that "Promise we would not move east" is about as true as the other things Russians say.
     
     Without going on too much, China has a massive food trade defecit; they need grain.
     Giving the corrupt shithole that is Ukraine, to Russia, is a massive L for the west, not even considering the actual humans that live there and deserve, like all human begins, unironically, to live in freedom, or at least a freer place than Putin's Russia.
     
     I could go on all day about American imperialiam, our damaged political systems, failing middle class, etc, but we don't have to be perfect to be better than a mobsterstate.
     
     There is a reason everyone, even Russia's "Allies", hates them.
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     @Pyrrho @mischievoustomato @mmmfeet @shedinja
     
     > /k/ is full of people like me, non-soy Ukraine supporters (I know Jonny, no such thing).
     
     I would like for Russia not to annex Ukraine, but I think we should stay the hell out of it in either case. On the other hand, there wouldn't be a war if we *had* stayed the hell out of it.
     
     Putin's issue is that he wants a buffer zone between NATO and Russia, and we keep flirting with letting Ukraine into NATO. Since the current president appears to have had some dealings there, it's hard to say whether that affected anything, but that aside, the CIA's had its finger in that pie for a very long time.
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     It's a tale as old as time. The Romans often sold their wars to the public based on the idea that their enemies were savages. There's nothing new. It's just new to us.
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     > Say P, what do you think about the idea of returning to Monarchies?
     
     Not a fan. I don't think the nation-state as currently conceived is a good plan. They've gotten massive and intrusive: I'd like a king even less.
     
     The thing people talking about monarchy don't seem to account for is that a thousand years ago, there were zero countries with as much land mass or population as the big countries are now.
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     > It's funny some people think Communism is anti-racist at its core just because the USSR thought America was on the verge of a race war so they tried to get blacks to revolt.
     
     I'm not sure that's the reason, but it tends to appeal to most of them; they
     
     > And it goes without mentioning you can just insert the word Jew into any Communist speech and it almost turns Fascist.
     
     It turns really confusing if you insert it into Marx's essay about Jews.
     
     I don't see a meaningful distinction between most of the Trotsky that I have read and any other totalitarian screed for remaking the earth. I don't know where the meme started, but in Mussolini's last interview, he insists that the USSR isn't real socialism, so it dates at least as far back as that. Every socialist claims to have the key to the mythical real socialism and an insistence that everyone else has been doing it wrong, and I'm not sure that there is a meaningful distinction between socialism and faith-healers except that faith-healers don't tend to produce obscurantist word-salad.
     
     > Chomsky
     
     Sometimes he manages to come out of his own asshole and stay there long enough to tell a joke. It's nice when he does that. I wish he'd stay out here with the rest of us.
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     @p @Pyrrho @mmmfeet @shedinja Say P, what do you think about the idea of returning to Monarchies?
     
     I have flip-flopped on the idea a few times. But, the only real difference I can see between a Monarchy and this illusion of democracy we now have, is that a Monarchy probably wouldn't have a thin layer of fall-guys (who get replaced every other election cycle).
     
     Although, there is still some burden for those in power to make their decisions seem populaces... I'm just not sure that out weighs being able to hang the fallout of said actions around the neck of a more permanent leader.
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     It's funny some people think Communism is anti-racist at its core just because the USSR thought America was on the verge of a race war so they tried to get blacks to revolt.
     
     Sure, in theory class struggle is similar to race struggle... But classical liberal ideas of personal liberty did not stop us from enslaving people, now did it.
     
     And it goes without mentioning you can just insert the word Jew into any Communist speech and it almost turns Fascist.
     
     Although this is all messy overgeneralization and not 100% true, but it is true enough to be funny to me.
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     > Now of course no matter how much bickering there is, there is still alot of gridlock on real important policy issues, too.
     
     There's gridlock on basic issues of fact nowadays. It's hopeless and I blame the San Francisco Data Cartel and I think a reasonable return to the society that existed before boomers were allowed to vote may be impossible but is definitely impossible as long as the San Francisco Data Cartel exists.
     
     > their stances are often just what they think will harm their enemy the most.
     
     Accurate.
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     > is to keep everyone fighting their neighbor instead of over throwing the corrupt government.
     
     There were some remarks made by the aristocrats in the South to this effect.
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     I decided to read his take as less extreme than it is, but both sides do want to keep people fighting over semi-pointless social issues.
     
     Now of course no matter how much bickering there is, there is still alot of gridlock on real important policy issues, too.
     
     But that is just internal stuff, the external actors make it way more complicated, and honestly, their stances are often just what they think will harm their enemy the most.
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     @Pyrrho @p @mmmfeet @shedinja To quote the Japanese, multiculturalism is a profound failure.
     
     Though I do think the main reason for the current hyper anti-white racism that is systemically taught, is to keep everyone fighting their neighbor instead of over throwing the corrupt government.
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     @p @hazlin @mmmfeet @shedinja
     That's really interesting about the gorillas.
     It's amazing how much insight you can get from connecting a few dots, like that, and my chickens/planes. I think it's important people be given lots of different tools, like in some old point and click game, to interact with and understand the world.
     
     I fear public schools just drill in racism, and kida grow up thinking that is the best tool for every task, "To a man with a hammer" and all that. Obviously we had a major racism problem in the past, and it's still around, but sometimes you need to use the jar of bees on the door lever, or some bonkers thing Tim Shafer thinks makes sense.
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     > What is your e-size? And, how much larger must you become before the poasters find you intimidating enough, to leave you alone?
     
     Well, if I'm a big enough asshole, that is, if I'm unpleasant enough to deal with.
     
     They did this test with gorillas, right. A bunch of fresh bananas sitting in the middle of a metal plate. If a gorilla touched the plate, this terrible sound would get blasted through loudspeakers. So they stopped touching the plate and left the bananas where they were. Then they bring in some new gorillas, and of course, they go towards the bananas, and the gorillas that don't want to ear the terrible sound go beat their asses and nobody touches the bananas. Then, they remove all the gorillas that have heard the sound, and bring in even more new gorillas. The gorillas that got the beatdown for trying to get those bananas continued enforcing it: they'd never heard the sound, but the knowledge had been transferred that, for whatever reason, you leave those bananas alone, and they were transferring that knowledge to the new gorillas.
     
     So it's like that. When neonazis that have never talked to me are warning each other not to bother me, then I've achieved success. I managed this by accident with the annoying commies by doing nothing but starting up FSE: they warn each other about me, they make shit up to prevent people from talking to me, they start insisting I'm a fascist, etc. The sunbeam.city guy claims I threatened to murder him. I don't know why the NJP cunts haven't done the same thing, but it's possible I haven't been a big enough asshole.
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     > Holy shit, interesting. I try to not see spies/state agents everywhere I go, but knowing how much money every government pumps into that kind of thing, I can't help but always wonder.
     
     Yeah, I just figure that it's easier to assume anyone might be a fed, that feds are going to be attracted to fedbait like NJP/Antelope Hill/etc. Feds like to call people feds, as demonstrated by the 8chan thing.
     
     Anywhere the platform gets big enough to sustain broadcast-only accounts, there will be people that want to shill one thing or another. Someone shilling hard enough is indistinguishable from either a fed; they might just be a useful idiot for some group's agenda, but they're basically a fed as far as I care.
     
     > IDK, I'd rather poasters necro threads I'm in than do that swarming thing they do.
     
     Whatever they're doing, it's annoying. I keep hoping that if I'm a big enough asshole, they'll all fuck off. No such luck.
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     >if I'm a big enough
     What is your e-size? And, how much larger must you become before the poasters find you intimidating enough, to leave you alone?
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     Holy shit, interesting. I try to not see spies/state agents everywhere I go, but knowing how much money every government pumps into that kind of thing, I can't help but always wonder.
     
     IDK, I'd rather poasters necro threads I'm in than do that swarming thing they do.
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     > There's nothing new. It's just new to us.
     
     Wars were often privately funded back then.
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     So at least one thing is different... the public gets to pay for other people's private wars. 😩