@Pyrrho @mischievoustomato @mmmfeet @shedinja

> /k/ is full of people like me, non-soy Ukraine supporters (I know Jonny, no such thing).

I would like for Russia not to annex Ukraine, but I think we should stay the hell out of it in either case. On the other hand, there wouldn't be a war if we *had* stayed the hell out of it.

Putin's issue is that he wants a buffer zone between NATO and Russia, and we keep flirting with letting Ukraine into NATO. Since the current president appears to have had some dealings there, it's hard to say whether that affected anything, but that aside, the CIA's had its finger in that pie for a very long time.