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There's a Fediverse alternative to #Reddit called #Kbin. More info at https://kbin.pub
Still VERY new, not many servers yet, two so far in English:
https://fedia.io
https://kbin.social
No app yet, use it through these sites. Subreddits are called "Magazines". You can interact with magazines from other servers.
Coders help Kbin at https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core, non-coders donate at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/kbin
(Sorry to people bored of this, had many requests to put info in one place)
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p.s. Kbin is part of the Fediverse. You can follow Kbin accounts and magazines from Mastodon etc, and follow Mastodon etc accounts from Kbin.
However, the cross-platform federation doesn't seem to be working properly yet (bear in mind the project is only a few months old!).
There's also a complication about the Kbin.social server being overwhelmed over the last few days, which has also messed with the federation.
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Try it again in a bit? I think they are getting way more visitors than usual due to the Reddit silence!
MrClon
@feditips kbin.pub «500 Internal Server Error» (:
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If you follow @scifi@kbin.social you would see the Scifi magazine on the server kbin.social.
It would appear to you in Mastodon as a group with lots of posts in it.
However, I'm not sure this cross-platform federation is working at the moment.
Figaro
@feditips how would that work from this end? Can I see the magazines from mastodon? Or would I have to use something like Lemmy/their web app?
Matzkopf
@selea @feditips No idea what you're talking about. Care to elaborate?
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Here you go:
:debian: 𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚊 :opensuse:
If you support tankies that celebrate Stalins birthday, sure
Matzkopf
@feditips What is peoples' oppinion about Lemmy? Both seem to be viable alternatives right now, not sure about cross plattform federation between the two though.
A Stream of Sand :v_enby:
@feditips is there somewhere I can read about what motivated kbin as a separate project to Lemmy?
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The Fediverse is full of alternatives, for example Mastodon isn't the first or the only microblogging platform on the Fediverse.
As long as platforms are interoperable, it doesn't matter if there are many different platforms because they aren't splintering the audience.
In fact, it's really important there ARE multiple alternatives, in case something goes wrong with one of the platforms.
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I'm not sure, the situation is still really unclear while the project is so new.
The main reason it's getting so much attention now is Reddit imploding, I don't think the lead developer expected to suddenly have to do all this at once!
Ivan Milovanov
So that's why I cannot seem to follow magazines from here just yet? (There are no search results coming up when looking up the handle.)
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Thanks, I've added that to the post 👍
Ignacio (he) 🇪🇸🇺🇦🇪🇺
@illumniscate @feditips It's because the admin had to activate cloudflare to avoid DDoS, and federation doesn't work until the situation is more calm.
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Yes, that's exactly how it will work, see the screenshot below. Magazines will appear as groups if you follow them within Mastodon, with posts looking just like Mastodon posts.
At the moment there is just too much traffic overwhelming the Kbin servers, which weren't expecting this amount of attention due to the Reddit implosion.
Once things calm down and the developers are able to get more development done, it should work the way you are suggesting.
mitha
@feditips
Still trying to figure this shit out. How do things like #kbin or #lemmy or #feddit interact with my brand new account here?
In my dream world, I would subscribe to such a "Magazin" and get it posted on my home feed. And to discover new stuff, I could simply search for a keyword and get a fitting magazine or community recommended.
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To be fair, there was so much load they assumed it was a DDOS.
They didn't use cloudflare before that.
Trenton Matthews
@feditips Cloudflare?
Oh dear...
Sending out prayers. 🙏🏿
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I don't recommend Lemmy:
https://mstdn.social/@feditips/106835057054633379
Also, I don't recommend having single alternatives. The whole point of the Fediverse is to have a diverse range of servers and platforms and apps, so that if something goes wrong with one of them you can always just switch to another.
Because servers and platforms talk to each other on here, it doesn't matter if we have lots of alternatives as they aren't splintering the audience.
giobio
@feditips I thought Lemmy was the alternative ?
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In theory, eventually, you'll be able to comment from Mastodon and follow Kbin accounts and magazines from Mastodon. You can already make a magazine's profile appear on Mastodon, see screenshot below.
At the moment though, the main Kbin server kbin.social is so totally overwhelmed that they've had to activate a protection system called Cloudflare which prevents cross-platform federation working.
So, right now, you'd need to sign up on a Kbin server.
nyzn
@feditips Hey Fedi.Tips, do I need to make a separate Fedi account on kbin.social if I want to post or comment, or is there a way to do it with my mastodon account?
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Yeah, that concerned me, and others were worried too.
However, apparently it isn't part of the platform and was never really implemented. The lead developer replied about it here:
https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fediparty/pulls/97#issuecomment-663170
Fionn
@feditips kbin's UI looks great, but what's with the crypto garbage included? "Cardano wallet", "smart contracts" are listed on their features page.
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I think @youronlyone would know more about this topic.
Nour (aka Autistic Enby) 🏳️⚧️
@feditips @queenslight how/why does cloudflare mess up federation?
Is it the default cache settings messing up API endpoints? (you need to add a custom rule for its base path)
wyndix@wyndix.dev:~$
@feditips@mstdn.social What's the difference between Kbin and Lemmy?
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No, it's a separate project but it's part of the Fediverse too.
RetroDevDaemon
@feditips Isn't kbin a fork of lemmy?
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Here you go:
Ossiana Tepfenhart
@feditips wait, what's a Fediverse?
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Yeah, the surest way to find anything on here is to use an account address:
Every Fediverse person and group and channel has one, no matter what kind of server they are on.
mitha
Thanks for the reply. Gotta give this some days and some earnest attention.
Reddit was, for a lot of stuff, a really nice user experience. Lots of subs where the primary point of contact for their respective communities. If we could get these communities away from spez and his cronies, I'd be delighted.
till
@mitha Following a magazine or a user is as easy, as @feditips describes. Just remember the pattern @userOrMagazineName@server.tld
Search by keyword does not work well, since your server can only search instances, it knows about (obviously).
otheorange_tag
@feditips apollo! that's the thingy that is going away, maybe the apollo guy can rewrite?! (sorry, zero idea here, just pointing this out)--Dad
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Does your email have an alias feature? It doesn't have to be your main email address.
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It's like coke and pepsi, sort of similar concept but made by different people.
mahrimba
@feditips what's the difference between Lemmy and Kbin? Sorry, I'm still a bit lost on this whole Fediverse thing ^^;
fediversetester
@feditips no mobile app yet?
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It's literally just a few months old and mostly done by one person.
There is an app planned though so if it can be given more support/help then I'm sure we'd see one.
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Hey there!
If you need help getting started on here, I run a site at https://fedi.tips which answers lots of common questions in a non-technical way.
If you still can't get answers there, feel free to ask me directly!
kelce
@feditips I'm joining the "get bent reddit" movement but it's definitely a learning curve. I've never heard of the fediverse before this and I'm definitely lost but willing to learn.
Fatalchemist
@kelce @feditips same deal here. It feels like there's a learning curve, but it also feels like after a short while, things will just click and make sense. Or so I hope. It's kind of exciting!
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Things work a bit differently on here, partly for safety reasons.
I'd recommend searching for all the hashtags you want and following them. This will automatically show posts with that tag in your home timeline, even from people you don't follow:
https://fedi.tips/how-do-i-follow-hashtags-on-mastodon-and-the-fediverse/
There's also another feature called Groups where you follow a group account, and you will automatically see anything posted to that group:
mitha
@till @feditips
< Search by keyword does not work well, since your server can only search instances, it knows about (obviously).
Yeah that's part I'm currently struggling with. Let's say I want to search for stuff related to one piece. On reddit this is simply joining /r/onepiece as a starting point. I have yet to find a good way to start this here...
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Also, for more tips on discovering accounts see https://fedi.tips/how-do-i-find-accounts-to-follow-on-mastodon-and-the-fediverse-how-do-i-find-my-friends/
M3th
@feditips Is it possible to use my mastodon account to comment and follow or subscribe on kbin. So that I don't have to make an account on kbin.
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Yes, you can do this from within Mastodon, but at the moment the current Kbin servers are so totally overwhelmed that this may not work.
Every person and group on the Fediverse has an account address which you can copy and paste into the search box in order to follow and interact with it. There's more info here:
I've attached a screenshot of what happens when I paste a Kbin address into Mastodon.
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@Secret_Squirrel @kelce @mstrmustache
If you want truly random posts, try browsing the Local and Federated timelines on your server.
They are feeds of all the public posts made by people on your server (Local) or people from other servers that your server has noticed (Federated).
More info at https://fedi.tips/what-are-the-local-federated-home-timelines-how-do-i-stop-them-scrolling-too-quickly/
Also, try Explore which shows trending posts and trending tags. (On the official app, click the magnifying glass but leave the search box blank.)
kelce
@mstrmustache @feditips I'm liking it so for. Like reddit without the toxicity haha.
Secret Squirrel
@kelce @mstrmustache @feditips The one thing I miss about Twitter is the random posts. I'd get a fair number of left-field posts that were actual interesting. Lots of toxic, too, of course Maybe I'm doing Mastodon wrong, though.
Mr. Mustache
Mastodon has already replaced birdsite and book of faces for me so I am eager to get my HFY and other reddit fixes here too.
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@Secret_Squirrel @kelce @mstrmustache
Having said that, if you're on a massive server like mastodon.social those feeds will be really, really random firehoses.
If you join a smaller server you'll see more of a theme, especially on the Local feed.
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I don't recommend Lemmy:
MaryPot
Not that I have checked it out, but isn't #lemmy also an option for ex-redditters?
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The Lemmy software itself is written by the owners of Lemmy.ml (who also seem to run Lemmygrad).
I'm concerned that if it becomes widely used, this will give more power, influence and funding to these developers.
Ramin Honary
@MaryPot @feditips Well, I did not mean to suggest Lemmy.ml per se, I meant Lemmy as in the protocol, which can be used by any instance at all, including Kbin.
If Lemmy.ml is objectionable (which it seems to be), you can use BeeHaw instead, which is fully compatible but does not have the tankie restrictions on free speech.
MaryPot
You might want to read this before considering Lemmy any further:
https://mstdn.social/@feditips/106835057054633379
Ramin Honary
@feditips @MaryPot
Lemmy is more stable than Kbin because it has been around longer. But I think Kbin is generally better because it combines Lemmy and Mastodon into a single application. I will probably use Kbin once the software is ready for production.
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I understand how Libre software works.
The issue is that widely used FOSS tends to provide influence and money to whoever uses it. Look at how much influence Eugen has over the Fediverse, purely because of how widely used vanilla Mastodon is.
Ramin Honary
That, I can guarantee you, is something you never need to be concerned about. The software written by the problematic Lemmy software developers have released the Lemmy server software under the AGPL software license. This means that by law the people who wrote the source code MUST allow completely free and unrestricted use of the software, to copy it fully, to change it, to take ownership of the code, to anyone who uses it, no questions asked. The only condition is that any copy of the original code (any "fork" as we software engineers say) must retain the original AGPL license.
Ironically, the license they chose to use for Lemmy is more protective of free speech than the developers of Lemmy themselves are. But the bottom line is, by choosing this license, the authors of Lemmy have relinquished all control of the software to the community at large. Attempts to change it could lead to litigation against them.
The authors of BeeHaw.org have issued a statement about the authors of Lemmy. People have asked them to fork the original Lemmy software so as to distance themselves from the problematic authors of the original code. They said, in a nutshell, they are open to the idea of forking, but see no practical need to do so yet.
> "Simply put we do not believe a fork is necessary at this time."GNU social JP is a social network, courtesy of GNU social JP管理人. It runs on GNU social, version 2.0.2-dev, available under the GNU Affero General Public License.
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