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?Hidden? (hidden@cawfee.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:06:14 JST 
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@Arcana Thanks I'll go watch The Last Kingdom :apunotes:
I think I can agree with more films having right wing themes if I think past the last decade. Like basically every western ever is "right wing" for example. Perhaps it's just a particular social shift towards a milquetoast corporate "Don't offend or appeal to anyone," view in popular media that makes me feel this way.-
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?Hidden? (hidden@cawfee.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:06:13 JST
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@animeirl @Arcana Welcoming people from all walks of life seems like a progressive ideal to me Fediverse Contractor likes this. -
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shrimps! (animeirl@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:06:14 JST 
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> Don't offend or appeal to anyone
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?Hidden? (hidden@cawfee.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:10:32 JST
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@animeirl @Arcana I think you came into this conversation assuming I was a right winger malding about art and it's informing everything you say. I just like to see things with a diversity of worldviews regardless of if whether I agree with them or not. I think it's interesting and enriching.
I'm not sure what U.S. conservatives censoring literature has to do with this conversation. I think banning harmless books is a travesty. I think it's okay to tell children they can't read something until they're older though, unless they get parental permission (There were things I read in school that I needed a permission slip for since they were violent and had sex.) -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:10:32 JST 
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The state has no business teaching children about sexual deviancy, that’s basically the position I think, and I totally agree.
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shrimps! (animeirl@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:10:33 JST
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@hidden @Arcana Seems more to do with what you're offended by... Look at who is out in every US state trying to dictate what's taught in schools because they think certain things are too offensive? -
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?Hidden? (hidden@cawfee.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:21:13 JST
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@bot @Arcana @animeirl That's the alleged position but they ban shit like Harry Potter or Catcher in the Rye -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:21:13 JST
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Correct, people should have control over the bodies which govern them, and set the rules and standards they must abide by. Nobody is stopping those parents from buying their child a copy, or borrowing one from the local library. -
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shrimps! (animeirl@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:23:42 JST
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@hidden @Arcana @bot also people like bot think admitting to teenagers that gay people exist is "sexual deviancy" -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:23:42 JST
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Also correct, some parents don’t want their children “learning” about gays and trannies. That’s not the responsibility of the state, and they don’t have the right to infringe on the religious rights of parents. -
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shrimps! (animeirl@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:24:46 JST
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@bot @Arcana @hidden not true actually lots of people have attempted to have these books banned entirely -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:24:46 JST
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Which part is untrue? -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:27:41 JST
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You can buy them on Amazon. So it’s the library part? Which library bans Harry Potter? Even if that’s actually a thing, what I said before still applies. Libraries are typically government institutions. -
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shrimps! (animeirl@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:27:42 JST
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@bot @Arcana @hidden > Nobody is stopping those parents from buying their child a copy, or borrowing one from the local library.
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:31:41 JST
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I was being somewhat facetious tbh. It’s not really a good standard actually because then the majority can decide that young children should be taught about drag queens and troon s*x even if some parents strongly oppose it, which is happening now. -
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?Hidden? (hidden@cawfee.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:31:42 JST
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@bot @Arcana @animeirl If that's the criteria we decide what is read in school by then that's fine by me. Parents are often retarded or abusive but I don't think the government is any better -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:33:28 JST
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Strangely enough, the only book I know that Amazon has banned is “When Harry Became Sally” yet they still have pedophile, incest, and troon grooming smut listed. -
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shrimps! (animeirl@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:33:29 JST
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@bot @Arcana @hidden conservatives have tried to get stuff banned from bookstores as well -
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D00B ? :blobcatghostbuster: (d00b@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:34:05 JST 
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@bot @hidden @Arcana @animeirl and if you go to the school board and bitch the fbi threat marks you Fediverse Contractor likes this. -
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?Hidden? (hidden@cawfee.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:35:08 JST
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@bot @Arcana @animeirl Tbh this is a problem with politics in general. There's not really any systemic solution for a lot of problems -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:35:08 JST
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Yes, so those topics should be avoided altogether and left for parents to deal with. -
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GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:38:38 JST 
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@bot @Arcana @animeirl @hidden parents have a tendency to be authoritarian monsters that claim they own their offspring -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:39:21 JST
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Parents also tend to have the best interests of their child in mind. -
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GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:40:19 JST
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@bot @Arcana @animeirl @hidden lol who taught you that ? I bet it was your parents. shrimps! likes this. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:41:39 JST
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Um.. common sense? Ok so your position is that most parents want to harm their children or simply don’t care about them? What? -
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gav (gav@cawfee.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:44:22 JST 
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@fcktheworld587 @hidden @Arcana @animeirl >they are, in fact, beholden to the ideologies which perpetuate this exact thing.
this is dumb, none of this has any policy outcomeFediverse Contractor likes this. -
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Chumchum Tumtum (fcktheworld587@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:44:23 JST 
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@hidden @Arcana @animeirl many right wingers might believe this to be true - but they are, in fact, beholden to the ideologies which perpetuate this exact thing.
A lot of the American "Left" is actually right of centre, globally. And this is largely through no fault of Americans, themselves; as they have been the most thoroughly, and effectively, propagandised people in recorded history
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?Hidden? (hidden@cawfee.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:44:24 JST
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@fcktheworld587 @Arcana @animeirl Only the most deranged ancap (which to be fair is a lot of people,) believes that bosses should be able to take advantage of their workers. Most right wingers are staunch leftists if that's what the only requirement for leftist -
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?Hidden? (hidden@cawfee.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:44:25 JST
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@animeirl @Arcana Well whether something is right wing or not has nothing to do with offending people.
What I view as right wing is ultimately just a worldview that people who label themselves as right wing adopt. It's pretty clear to me now that this doesn't work. but it seems pretty clear to me that no other definition works either since all anyone wants to do is argue about what left wing and right wing is when those are ultimately irrelevant since they're descriptive and not prescriptive. -
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Chumchum Tumtum (fcktheworld587@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:44:25 JST
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@hidden @Arcana @animeirl the difference in left and right wing ideologies comes down to a simple question of who should see the largest share of the value of such goods and services as are rendered.
The left believes that the workers should be allowed to see the fruits of their labour, while the right believes that the ruling class is justified in their extraction of the value of the workers' labour
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shrimps! (animeirl@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 11:44:26 JST
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> I'm not sure what U.S. conservatives censoring literature has to do with this conversation.
This:
> Perhaps it's just a particular social shift towards a milquetoast corporate "Don't offend or appeal to anyone," view in popular media that makes me feel this way.
Seems to imply that not offending people means something isn't right wing which I think is very obviously not the case. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:13:42 JST
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Um.. most ppl pay for drinking water. -
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diceynes (diceynes@coolsite.win)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:13:43 JST 
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A right wing CEO of like nestle support people paying for drinking water. Because if you can't afford water that's your destiny. There aren't any left wing CEO's I believe. Our society is built on right wing ideas. All the investment firms like blackrock are those who owns society and have very little regard, actually none for those with less means. -
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diceynes (diceynes@coolsite.win)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:13:44 JST
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@hidden @Arcana @animeirl @fcktheworld587 right wing ideology defines itself by that the riches you have is by natural selection. They used to argue that god selected them to be wealthy in the times when religion was important. Obviously a right wing chief of a company have very little regard for the poorer workers. -
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GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:16:47 JST
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@bot @Arcana @animeirl @hidden I am saying that hierarchal control is wrong because when you put someone over someone else they end up exploiting them, even if they don't mean to or think they are doing the right thing. -
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shrimps! (animeirl@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:18:01 JST
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@gnu2 @Arcana @hidden @bot someone should give me hierarchal control over bot so i can deprogram them -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:21:53 JST
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Right, so let’s allow the state dominate over individuals esp children, and even family life and personal values. What could go wrong? I really wonder what planet some ppl here live on tbh, it’s so detached from reality. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:23:20 JST
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You don’t have a “human right” to water. -
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diceynes (diceynes@coolsite.win)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:23:21 JST
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A symbolic price. He wants to let the market speculate on the price and remove it as a human right. Like oil. -
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djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:23:51 JST 
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The distinction should be between municipal water and bottled water (which is rebottled tap-water at 1000% markup). Sure municipal water is payed for by taxes at a park water fountain, but people still pay for water to the home (subsidized).
A functioning State today should be able to provide cheap clean water. Many nations are outsourcing their municipal water supplies to international companies, which I think could turn poorly. The Documentaries Tapped and Blue Gold cover some of the intercedes.
…but yea, I don’t think that’s what OP meant in this thread, because that requires you understanding more than bumper stickers
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:26:12 JST
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I think the reality is that some ppl (the usual suspects btw) are too stupid to put together a system that can supply clean water to their population. It’s still a serious issue in many countries. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:27:09 JST
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Well, then everyone can just collect rainwater and not concern themselves with nestle. -
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diceynes (diceynes@coolsite.win)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:27:10 JST
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Of course you do it falls from the heavens nobody owns it -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:32:46 JST
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Then the population should get together and build a public water supply. -
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diceynes (diceynes@coolsite.win)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:32:48 JST
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Private companies sometimes owns the water supply and provide less then desirable quality of service at too expensive prices @hidden -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:34:31 JST
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I think those things are related. Some um.. “groups” clearly can’t function in modern society, it’s p obv and consistent. A tribal system seems to work better for them tbh. -
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djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:34:32 JST
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Some might be too stupid, others just really corrurpt. India is a good example of both. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:38:47 JST
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Then the population needs to kill the politicians allowing that to happen. That’s how it turns out sometimes. -
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diceynes (diceynes@coolsite.win)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:38:48 JST
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But some powerful people are arguing about letting blackrock own the water supply. It's a real and imminent danger when levels are low -
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KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:41:15 JST 
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Agreed, this sort of thinking will solve our problems. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:41:15 JST
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That’s not it’s going to work out tho. They didn’t have clean water before, and now they do. Can the native population actually build and maintain that system on their own? Doubt tbh, just based on how things are now. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:47:45 JST
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It’s usually not a great thing, look at what happens in Africa. It causes a power vacuum and a lot of ppl suffer and die, and then nothing improves despite all that. -
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diceynes (diceynes@coolsite.win)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:47:46 JST
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You're right about that. If there only was some sort of leader that could organize people for that purpose people would follow that person to the end. These ideas are very popular and righteous -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:57:38 JST
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What business does the government have indoctrinating children about sexual deviancy? -
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蓮 (ren@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:57:39 JST 
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@animeirl @Arcana @hidden @bot so kids learning about the existence of gay and trans people is seen as a religious attack but imposing religious views on women's reproductive healthcare isn't :agummythink: -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:58:29 JST
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What? -
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diceynes (diceynes@coolsite.win)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:58:30 JST
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That's why I'm saying people like you should still be oppressed -
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djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:58:32 JST
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You realize you'd be the first one to die in a power void right? You can correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't seem like the type with well water, solar panels and chicken coups.
So you're depressed, suicidal and want to take everyone with you? Is this thread going to be plastered on the news after your shooting spree? -
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diceynes (diceynes@coolsite.win)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 12:58:33 JST
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Yeah I'm good with my life and actually don't care about people unless they are funny or original or empathic .The masses are what they are. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 13:08:12 JST
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Don’t worry, literally everyone knows fags and trannies exist (mostly because they never stfu). And they aren’t just teaching them they “exist”, it’s way beyond that, and you know it.
It isn’t the job of the state to explain fringe mentally ill sexual conditions as if they’re normal, or “MAP rights” (#killallpedos), or BDSM, or anything of the sort, just because “it exists” or its “basic information”. -
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Silicanus (silicanus@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 13:08:13 JST 
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@bot @Arcana @hidden @animeirl children aren't chattel. Parents denying them knowledge about basic shit like "gay people exist" is a massive disservice to them, especially if the children themselves are gay. That's not something we should promote.
Part of the point of public education is ostensibly to teach kids things. it's not just for producing skilled labor. If parents disagree with kids learning that the moon landings are real when learning astronomy, or that homosexuality is naturally occurring throughout the animal kingdom in biology or health, the parents are in the wrong and the state doesn't have to sanction depriving kids of basic information like this. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 13:08:56 JST
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Confusing and indoctrinating other ppls children about sexuality so you can groom them isn’t a “human right”. -
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Silicanus (silicanus@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 13:08:57 JST
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@bot @Arcana @animeirl @hidden This is what it means for education to be a human right. Parents shouldn't be able to unnecessarily deprive children of it. -
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KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 13:10:12 JST
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It's the job of the state to explain the dangers of gay people to children so they don't get groomed by perverts. Fediverse Contractor likes this. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 13:21:39 JST
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Do you think they should teach how despite being only about 3% of the population, gay men account for over 50% of ppl with AIDS? Or about genetic dead ends? It’s never the full picture, is it? -
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蓮 (ren@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 13:21:40 JST
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@bot @Arcana @hidden @animeirl is it indoctrinating to reach about evolution or basic sex Ed? If not then how is it indoctrinating to reach children that gay people exist, it's most likely they already know. Gay and trans people have existed before the past century and it's documented. Even if children don't learn what being gay or trans is they will most likely encounter historical figures that were themselves, if not in the media or in their own social circles. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 13:30:35 JST
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Because being a pozzed genetic dead end is antithetical to life. Also this, again, it’s obviously agenda driven and biased. https://seal.cafe/@bot/posts/AWCcpO77wLmrFRvKpE -
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蓮 (ren@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 13:30:36 JST
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@marine @Arcana @hidden @bot @animeirl even if you disagree with this sex Ed has been a thing for years and studies have shown teen pregnancy rates are higher in states with poor or no sex Ed. These classes have never been called indoctrination when I was in the school system. 5th grade was a discussion about tampons and periods, I don't know what the boys learned. In 8th grade it was more serious and there was discussion of STDs. I know it was more detailed in highschool but I wasn't around for any of that. I know of highschools that handed out lube to their classes.
If there is zero outrage over this then why is the outrage unproportional when the topic is about LGBT? Most sex Ed is heteronormative anyways. Gay and trans kids are going through the public school system regardless of whether or not the state will acknowledge their existence.
Either way, the state being involved or not won't change that kids will learn, experiment, and encounter taboo topics regardless of whether or not they learn about it in school or at home. I know because I was one of those sheltered kids. -
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The Problem :verified_pink: (marine@breastmilk.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 13:30:37 JST 
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@ren @Arcana @hidden @bot @animeirl whether you call it indoctrination or not, a public school teacher should not be talking to children about sex, their sexuality, or anything else of that nature.
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 13:46:43 JST
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diceynes (diceynes@coolsite.win)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 13:46:44 JST
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I'm actually European so what you are talking about somehow sounds completely unhinged to me. We are more refined in Europe. There are no guns or shooting sprees. Besides the social system actually helps you here. And where did I sound depressed or suicidal? -
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GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 14:24:18 JST
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@bot @Arcana @animeirl @hidden I have neve said anything even close to that. Liberals are so crazy.
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