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   Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Mar-2023 20:36:53 JST Chris Trottier

   • Sarah Perez 💙
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   Remember Bluesky?

   That's the de-centralized social network backed by Jack Dorsey that's supposed to compete with Mastodon.

   Instead of using ActivityPub, it uses the competing AT protocol.

   It's on the App Store right now in closed beta, and @Sarahp speculates that a public launch may be nearing.

   Thing is, development of Bluesky has been slow as molasses. This was announced all the way back in 2019.

   A whole lot has happened since then!

   https://techcrunch.com/2023/02/28/jack-dorsey-backed-twitter-alternative-bluesky-hits-the-app-store-as-an-invite-only-app/

   @fediversenews

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Mar-2023 20:38:51 JST Chris Trottier

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     I can practically taste @Sarahp's skepticism about Bluesky.

     She thinks that ActivityPub is eating Bluesky's lunch.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Mar-2023 20:38:52 JST Chris Trottier

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     There's one thing that Bluesky claims to do better than the Fediverse with its AT protocol, and that's nomadic identity.

     But nomadic identity exists on the Fediverse.

     There are hundreds of Hubzilla and Streams servers that are online. You can use this right now.

     Meanwhile, Bluesky isn't here yet.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Mar-2023 20:38:53 JST Chris Trottier

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     And yeah, @Sarahp has a point. The Fediverse already has lots of high profile folks using the service.

     It's at the point where, if you're in the tech industry, the Fediverse is the place to be.

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     Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Mar-2023 20:38:56 JST Jupiter Rowland

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     @Mikko Alasaarela :equel: @Fediverse News This very thing that @Chris Trottier has mentioned has been implemented in the #Zot protocol and has been in daily use on #Hubzilla since 2012. It's not utopic, it's not science-fiction, it's not someone's fever dream, it has been a real thing for longer than Mastodon and ActivityPub.
     
     And Hubzilla is every bit as decentralised as Mastodon, if not more so. It has a lower user-to-instance ratio than Mastodon, and it doesn't have an "official lighthouse instance." Anyone could run it on a LAMP stack at home or on rented server space.
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     Mikko Alasaarela :equel: (alasaarela@equel.social)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Mar-2023 20:39:11 JST Mikko Alasaarela :equel:

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     @atomicpoet I agree about the portable identity, but it's very difficult to implement as it will dis-incentivize running your own servers that will lead to massive centralization of the ecosystem.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Mar-2023 20:39:12 JST Chris Trottier

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     I mean, maybe Bluesky will be the kick in the pants for the Fediverse to get more serious about nomadic identity.

     Because I, for one, think people should own their online identities.

     But I have no doubt that the many intelligent people working on identity can make this happen on the Fediverse.

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     Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Mar-2023 20:40:35 JST Jupiter Rowland

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     @ch0ccyra1n :ins: @Chris Trottier @Fediverse News #NomadicIdentity is a concept created for #Hubzilla (another project in the #Fediverse that has #ActivityPub as an option, launched in 2012) and has therefore seen over a decade of everyday use. Starting with #RedMatrix, all projects launched by Mike Macgirvin after #Friendica under the #Zotlabs "brand" got this feature. The two projects still alive that have them are Hubzilla and the #Streams code repository.
     
     In other words, this is nothing new. The #Zot protocol with its nomadic identity is older than ActivityPub and much older than #BlueSky.
     
     It basically removes the fixed connection of your identity to the instance that you're on by allowing you to have your channel(s) on multiple instances at the same time, fully in-sync. I'm using this feature myself.
     
     On Mastodon, your account is firmly tied to the instance that it's on. When you move to another instance, you can take your name and those whom you follow with you, but you'll create a new identity.
     
     With nomadic identity, you could e.g. "move" to mstdn.social with your entire account with everything on it, but you could choose to keep your new account connected to your current one on emeraldsocial.org and either keep the one on emeraldsocial.org as your main account.
     
     If you toot something, this toot will appear on your emeraldsocial.org account and your mstdn.social account. If you receive a post, it'll appear on both accounts, too. If you follow someone, you follow them from both accounts, but they'll only see the connection from whichever is your main account. If someone follows you, they'll always follow your main account, no matter which one they've decided to follow. If you switch your main account to mstdn.social, all your connections will be automatically updated.
     
     Now, this is not limited to two instances. Theoretically, you can have your Hubzilla or Streams channel on as many instances as you want to.
     
     (If you're wondering why I'm talking about "channels" rather than "accounts" in connection with nomadic entity: The projects that offer nomadic identity have this special feature that's basically "accounts within an account." You can have one account on an instance, but multiple channels, i.e. multiple separate identities, on the same account. And you can make each channel nomadic in different separate ways from one another.)
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     ch0ccyra1n (ch0ccyra1n@emeraldsocial.org)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Mar-2023 20:40:36 JST ch0ccyra1n

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     @atomicpoet
     What even is nomadic identity? It sounds cool as a name

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     Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Mar-2023 20:42:21 JST Jupiter Rowland

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     @Matisyahu ?️?✡️?????? @Chris Trottier @Sarah Perez ? @Fediverse News PSA: #xkcd927 is a hashtag and not even an obscure one.
     
     Also, the reason why #BlueSky was developed makes me wonder, too. It's quite likely that Jack Dorsey has never heard of #Hubzilla and that it had introduced #NomadicIdentity as early as 2012. I mean, about 99% of all Mastodon users have never heard of Hubzilla, much less its nomadic identity, and I think even every other Friendica user hasn't heard of Hubzilla yet.
     
     It may also be that he wants to replace the decentralised, federated, non-commercial, non-corporate #Fediverse with something decentralised, federated, but commercial and corporate-owned that he has full control over. In order to do this, he had to offer something that #ActivityPub can't do.
     
     Ironically, nomadic identity and the #Zot protocol that uses it are older than ActivityPub as well.
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     Kevin Davidson (metalsamurai@mas.to)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Mar-2023 20:42:26 JST Kevin Davidson

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     @CommissarMatis @atomicpoet @Sarahp @fediversenews Bluesky was never real. It was vapourware to keep people on Twitter and stop anyone from exploring alternatives that actually existed and worked (like the Fediverse).
     Now that Twitter is clearly dying they’re forced to “launch”, but it’s obviously unfinished after $millions and years of work.

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     LAUREN (noondlyt@mstdn.social)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Mar-2023 20:42:28 JST LAUREN

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     @atomicpoet @Sarahp @fediversenews
     Jack funded and is publicly recommending NOSTR...how is all of this getting reconciled?

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     Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Mar-2023 20:42:30 JST Jupiter Rowland

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     @Chris Trottier @Fediverse News The only advantage #Bluesky will have over 13-year-old federated jack-of-all-trades #Hubzilla that has had #NomadicIdentity since 2012 and even over younger and sleeker #Streams will be the availability of an iPhone app, especially one that bears the same name as the project itself. Hubzilla and Streams can only be used in Web browsers, and especially Hubzilla has a less-than-optimal UI for its overwhelming pile of features.
     
     In all other regards, everything that Mike Macgirvin has made since #RedMatrix (that's seven project names) would mop the floor with Bluesky, not to mention that almost all of it has also supported #ActivityPub and therefore federated with Mastodon; Hubzilla (optionally) and Streams (by default) still do. Bluesky probably never will; it isn't meant to complement the Fediverse, it's meant to replace and destroy it.
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     Eric (eric0x@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Mar-2023 20:42:33 JST Eric

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     @Stark9837 @jupiter_rowland @fediversenews Exactly what happened when i googled blue sky.

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     stark@techhub:~$ █ (stark9837@techhub.social)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Mar-2023 20:42:34 JST stark@techhub:~$ █

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     @jupiter_rowland @fediversenews

     #BlueSky is the weirdest name. Sounds like an airline or telecommunication company that serves simcards.

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     stark@techhub:~$ █ (stark9837@techhub.social)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Mar-2023 20:42:35 JST stark@techhub:~$ █

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     @eric0x

     Let's just call it BS?

     @jupiter_rowland @fediversenews

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     DJM (freelance for hire) (cybeardjm@masto.ai)'s status on Thursday, 02-Mar-2023 08:12:04 JST DJM (freelance for hire)

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     @llewelly @atomicpoet @Sarahp @fediversenews Indeed, when Jaaaaack went to the Afro Bitcoin Conference in Ghana last December, it was to push his "OpenSource" vision, but mainly Bitcoin (via his venture with JayZ, ₿trust) and TBD (his Web5 vision "Making a decentralized world accessible to everyone" - @TBD54566975 on :birdsite:).
     With his support for Nostr, in full BTC maximalist mode (via Lightning interconnections), he's in full Web3++ mode

     BTW Tether is doing the same with Keet.io

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     llewelly (llewelly@sauropods.win)'s status on Thursday, 02-Mar-2023 08:12:05 JST llewelly

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     @atomicpoet @Sarahp @fediversenews
     I'm hoping that's where all the craptocurrency grifters will go.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 02-Mar-2023 08:18:24 JST clacke

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     • DJM (freelance for hire)
     > BTW Tether is doing the same with Keet.io
     Hadn't heard of Keet before. So it's a p2p video conf and file sharing thing built on a network overlay called Holepunch and:
     
     > Bitcoin Lightning and USDt micropayments built-in, it's easy to implement and use powerful paid features in apps.
     Makes sense for Tether to be pushing it then.
     
     When did Tether change spelling from USDT to USDt?
     
     @cybeardjm @llewelly @atomicpoet @Sarahp
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     DJM (freelance for hire) (cybeardjm@masto.ai)'s status on Thursday, 02-Mar-2023 09:00:20 JST DJM (freelance for hire)

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     @clacke

     The cryptobros are all in the P2P game, pushing their so-called stablecoins
     AFAIK, today a lot of P2P apps use USDC, and many are now pushing towards a "satoshi" economy in Play2Earn, Learn2Earn, payments & remittances to put BTC at the forefront and we know there's a big incestuous relation with Tether underground...

     @atomicpoet @llewelly @Sarahp

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