Notices by Sulla (sulla_felix@poa.st), page 2
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@Nudhul @arcana @sickburnbro @sun > france was conquered because they failed to adapt to new strategies.
Not according to the guys who were in the high command at the time. They knew exactly what to do to counter the blitzkrieg and had the hardware to do it, but could not execute on the ground.
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@ThePirateQueen Everyone tells you cigarettes are dangerous, but no one tells you that they are delicious.
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@Escoffier Oh. Yes. You're repeating that story you were told in school about the search for religious freedom leading men of conscience to brave the seas and establish a new nation. That's charming.
But the point is that one can't really complain that Christendom isn't doing Christendom things when Christendom lost a long and bloody war to... well, to the people who wanted things to be exactly as they are now.
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@Escoffier You talk like someone who hasn't read anything about he last 500 years. Where is the Church?
Drowned in the Loire by the French. Hanged, drawn, and quartered by Henry, Elizabeth, and Cromwell. Skinned alive, then shot by the Mexicans. Crucified, or exhumed and displayed in public by the Spanish Republicans. Reduced by violence to a couple square miles in Rome by the Italians. Purposely removed from the public conversation by the cunts who wrote the American Constitution.
All this murder for centuries and you wonder why there is no Bernard of Clairvaux riling up a Crusade, or Simon de Montfort expelling the trannies, or Templars slaughtering invaders at Las Navas de Tolosa, or Edward expelling the shapeshifters from the realm.
The roots of the tree are cut, why no flowers?
Men with guns have been winning a murderous war against the ability of the Church to do anything at all in the secular world, but you wonder what is wrong with the Christians.
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@Escoffier Puritans had all kinds of stories, but outside New England, the colonization wave had little to do with such ideas.
And, again, the point is that Christendom lost a sequence of bloody wars, which is why the political results of Christendom - defense of the culture, suppression of heretics like trannies and demon worshipers, removal of dangerous and subversive invaders like jews and Muslims - cannot be expected.
Only a moron imagines the tree will flower when its roots are cut. You seem to think otherwise.
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@Escoffier @somemightsay As opposed to maybe not being an atomized individual?
Someone said something about how the Body of Christ should not be divided, yet here you are blithely suggesting to divide the hell out of it, down to the household level.
And then you turn around and wonder where the Christians are, if they are not defending the community against threats. Meanwhile, you abandon your community and refuse to defend it against threats, preferring instead to withdraw. The problem with Christians is you.
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@Escoffier @somemightsay This is a very American Protestant concept. I would simply point out that it is the very essence of atomistic individualism to think this way, and that among all our enemies, atomistic individualism is about the biggest enemy we have.
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@Escoffier @somemightsay I told you you didn't want my opinion.
I used to work with a chick who told mer her husband - from Mississippi - took her to his dad's church. Which was literally in his dad's house, except the old man had passed away the year earlier and the service was a cassette recording of this dead guy playing to the family and a couple people in the living room.
Guess he was just looking for a living church, too. Have fun. You might want to make video of your sermons so your family can carry on the true faith.
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@Escoffier @somemightsay You don't want my advice, but you say you do.
For a church to be alive, it has to have a valid Eucharistic celebration, produced by priests validly appointed in an unbroken line to the Apostles and practiced the way it was practiced since the beginning. That leaves exactly two choices: Catholic and Orthodox.
Everything else is larping bullshit.
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@Escoffier @somemightsay It's frustrating.
> Hey! Don't divide the Body of Christ, dude! And by the way, the fissiparousness and sloth associated with that is related to the sloth and indifference we see among Christians when it comes to defending their culture.
> Oh yeah? Well, what am I supposed to do then?
> Dunno? Not that thing I said not to do? Something else, I guess?
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@Escoffier @somemightsay Well, your solution seems to be that you'd establish your own church in your basement, along with your family and some friends. Or, if you wouldn't do that, exactly, it would be a thing that you might legitimately do.
And the point I have been trying to make - and the point you seem to agree with, without knowing it - is that the attitude making you disinclined to defend your religious community is the same attitude making Christians disinclined to defend their secular communities.
I'll just start my own church, find a better church, move to a different neighborhood, voat harder, send a donation to Trump, whatever, whatever, whatever. It's the same vice, and that vice is sloth - the indifference to performing some duty you must perform. And it turns out, you have a duty to fight for what is yours.
You ask what one should do when the Spirit leaves a church, and you answer: you abandon it. But then you ask what one should do when that same Spirit leave a nation, and you are shocked when other Christians answer: you abandon it. If you can't see that it's the same animating principle...
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@Escoffier @somemightsay As. Opposed. To. Maybe. Not. Being. An. Atomized. Individual?
Does that help clarify?
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@Escoffier @somemightsay Yeah, well, that doesn't mean every person's home just did what they wanted, see?
Anyway, the Catholics are about as corrupt and degenerate as the Protestant churches who reacted to the corruption and degeneracy, as your struggle to find a "living church" would suggest. Except with them, you get all the corruption and degeneracy but no valid Eucharist.
But you could always go Orthodox if the specter of popery haunted you so much.
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@Escoffier @KingOfWhiteAmerica @James_Dixon @somemightsay Literally every single Christian believed otherwise for 1,500 years, but you've got it figured out.
So fucking tiresome.
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@bobbala @KingOfWhiteAmerica @transgrammaractivist @Snidely_Whiplash @doctorsex @matty @James_Dixon @PeterPower @TrevorGoodchild @abner >The point is you have the Bible. It doesn't need to be rewritten by men.
It does, you dumb bastard, because, for example, Arians denied the Trinity but kept the bible. The fucking Mormons affirm scripture, but cannot affirm the Creed.
That's why. Very basic.
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@sickburnbro @graf @TrevorGoodchild No. They exist to keep presidents from getting their heads exploded. This is a pass/fail class. Big boy rules, friend.
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@graf @sickburnbro @TrevorGoodchild I don't think that's right. I think it was after Lincoln that they took over protection.
That means they lost three (Garfield, McKinley, and Kennedy) and should have lost three more (Roosevelt, Reagan and Trump - they survived assassins getting through the protection). That's 6 losses out of 29. 20% failure rate is not very good, I think.
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@TrevorGoodchild @BarelyEagle @sickburnbro @Seattle_Guy @PopulistRight Yeah. I would say his most critical failing is his lack of loyalty. Merchants think everything is subject to contract, but real life requires reciprocal duties & rights. And we saw that in 2020, when there was exactly nobody willing to stick his neck out for Trump, except grifters and psychos (and the stupidly trusting (sad)).
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@sickburnbro @epictittus @brittbratt_fingerpuppet @KiKi88 @matty @DMA Surely some sort of prudential judgment can be used to draw a rational line, yes? The point is that you have to cut quite a bit more deeply than some people think, and the reason is that fakers are everywhere after a revolution.
Want another example? The Spanish allowed jews to convert instead of being exiled. And then the Inquisition had to spend a lot of time figuring out whether these conversios were legitimate or whether they were trying to hijack the entire society.
Spoiler: they were trying to hijack the entire society.
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@sickburnbro @epictittus @brittbratt_fingerpuppet @KiKi88 @matty @DMA Stop that. That's not at all the assumption. The assumption is that people who are determined to fuck shit up are, in fact, determined to fuck shit up. Look, after the American Revolution, they sent Tories back to England by the literal boat load. Why? Because they cannot be part of our thing if they were determined to be on the other side.
Same thing here.
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