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@Sulla_Felix @somemightsay I'm looking for a living Church. That's all i want. Where do i find that?
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@Sulla_Felix @somemightsay Last time I checked the Church began in people's homes?
My problem with the Catholic Church is simple it died off a long time ago when it became essentially 100% corruption and degeneracy. Forcing the Protestant reaction to that corruption and degeneracy.
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@Escoffier @somemightsay Yeah, well, that doesn't mean every person's home just did what they wanted, see?
Anyway, the Catholics are about as corrupt and degenerate as the Protestant churches who reacted to the corruption and degeneracy, as your struggle to find a "living church" would suggest. Except with them, you get all the corruption and degeneracy but no valid Eucharist.
But you could always go Orthodox if the specter of popery haunted you so much.
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@Sulla_Felix @somemightsay Another way to put this is the clear teaching of the letters in revelation is that there are consequences up to the point of having their lampshades removed for sin. Why do you think the Catholic churches lampshades weren't removed for gross and ongoing sin?
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@Escoffier @Sulla_Felix @somemightsay > Why do you think the Catholic churches lampshades weren't removed for gross and ongoing sin?
Well, this is pure guesswork. I cannot know the mind of God.
But my guess would be that while the leadership was corrupt the local parishes were still performing the duties Christ wanted: Performing the sacraments and teaching the Gospel.
I don't think that's the case now. I think the majority of all the clergy in all the mainstream denominations have been corrupted and no longer teach the true Gospel. If you can find one who isn't that's great, but recognize that he's either going to be in a small denomination outside the mainstream or he's fighting an almost certainly losing battle against his own superiors.
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@James_Dixon @Sulla_Felix @somemightsay That seems to me like saying "yes the head is rotten but the fish is fine to eat?"
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@Escoffier @somemightsay You don't want my advice, but you say you do.
For a church to be alive, it has to have a valid Eucharistic celebration, produced by priests validly appointed in an unbroken line to the Apostles and practiced the way it was practiced since the beginning. That leaves exactly two choices: Catholic and Orthodox.
Everything else is larping bullshit.
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@Sulla_Felix @somemightsay Oh I thought we were having a serious discussion. My mistake.
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@Escoffier @somemightsay I told you you didn't want my opinion.
I used to work with a chick who told mer her husband - from Mississippi - took her to his dad's church. Which was literally in his dad's house, except the old man had passed away the year earlier and the service was a cassette recording of this dead guy playing to the family and a couple people in the living room.
Guess he was just looking for a living church, too. Have fun. You might want to make video of your sermons so your family can carry on the true faith.
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