@dansup Thanks, Dan - I apologize if my responses came out the wrong way in a heated moment as well. We can all do better.
There are a lot of folks in that community who are excited to collab and make the open social web wider, more diverse, and understandable for average users. We're stronger together.
As I said in private, I appreciate you, I respect and am astounded by the work you put in, and you're a core part of the OSW.
Thank you, and I hope we can build bigger than we already are.
I just think it's the best evidence that decentralization of power in atproto can take many shapes, sometimes by coalescing around a grassroots standard rather than depending on the highest volume option
I'm also just excited to finally see a viable alternative for an open blogging network that has two-way interaction, simple subscription access across services, and some atproto magic sprinkled in.
The reason I've become such a standard.site stan is because it's forming into the first real multi-service parallel ecosystem on atproto that can survive on it's own without the need of the @bsky.app lexicons and infra
@evan If you agree, then I think you should be promoting and endorsing more kindness and productive criticism instead of threads like this that push people away. You have a major voice here, be a part of pushing a positive culture.
@evan What's making it work is not acting as if a specific standard or technology is the only choice everyone has to bet on or is some ideological choice. It's about opening doors, building bridges, and seeing where we can bring people together. It's not that complicated, it's just kindness and openness.
@evan It feels that way every time I talk to atproto developers, and some Fedi ones too (I was just on a call with WordPress, Leaflet, Offprint, and pckt last week about longform bridging). It feels that way when I have face-to-face 1-1s with atproto short-form apps that want to bridge with cross-promotion in tow. I can go on.
It's posts and threads like this that get visibility and skew the conversation in an unproductive direction.
@evan What is the goal of calling out the history of atproto when the majority of the current community, including Bluesky, wants to collaborate? I'm trying to show that throwing stones is unproductive because there are stones lying everywhere.
@evan@dansup There are brilliant developers who were building in between the two spaces who decided it wasn't worth the hate they were receiving. If you want, I can share how much hate I get for bridging, and the mass majority comes from this side of the ecosystem, I just continue on because I believe in the mission.
It's a culture problem, and you two have the power to help change that.
@evan@dansup The number of developers and communities who've been pushed out of the Fedi because of this elitist mentality should be alarming to any builder in this space. Are we ever going to learn to do better, or are we going to continue pushing more people away?
The vibes aren't good, Evan, and I really hope you're aware of that, because vibes make or break a community.
@evan@dansup I'm not gaslighting anyone, Evan, and I would hope that you would know me better than that after our conversations.
You can throw stones back at the Fedi's bet around Meta and all the other companies that promised ActivityPub integration but never delivered. What are we even doing here?
Btw, Fediverse Threads is in maintenance mode and is one-way, basically RSS with likes, so are we going to even consider it a part of the ecosystem at this point?
@evan@dansup What's hurt it more is not working together on a unified strategy and putting up walls every time there's a chance to do so.
There are folks on the atproto side who have shown an intent to bridge with services like Pixelfed and Loops, *including* adding the logo on the posts to help promote services. We can either move together, or we can continue to push each other away and fall to trillion-dollar companies building their own ecosystems, some of whom the Fedi bet the farm on.
@dansup This is such a miscommunication of what's happening in. Happy to chat with you about it sometime, but I highly recommend not taking a billionaire's word over what that ecosystem is and what it's meant to be.
I know this is an ATProto-oriented post, but I do hope you give it a fair read. I would really appreciate feedback from my friends in the Fediverse, because the only way forward is to share ideas between ecosystems so we can build an open social web that's obvious for the average user to join.