Thanks for the explanation. I now understand that you can not write everything into a license.

Still, distinguishing between "contract including a license" and "license is contract" seem to be legal nitpicking for me - esp. if the "contract" part only is about "use the software and follow the terms of the license", not even including payments.

Anyway - I assume this difference has no actual effect on the base topic of this discussion. Or has it? (Otherwise we could stop here.)
@lxo

> if you want to be a good FOSS citizen

Sound very paternalistic to me - and even worse. "You are not a good citizen, if not following my rules - and of course only good citizens are legitimated doe citizen rights."

"Bad, bad boy! Again you choose a bad license. No dinner today."

@jwildeboer

Of course moral positions can be expressed in licenses. Licenses are just contracts, and if your don't agree with my terms, just don't use my software.

Your statement only becomes true if "open source" is a premises.

Also, moral positions could be expressed in copyright law, if wanted. Just imagine a copyright law not granting copyright on religious works. This would be a quite laizstic(?) copyright law.
@jwildeboer @risottobias

Done
@dthompson

Calling on all #FOSS developers to give up on #GitHub.

https://giveupgithub.org

#giveUpGithub #git #gitlab

> I"m not sure if many other projects do like Guix and record the checksum of the whole repository so as to ensure reproducibility purely from source.

If the packager chooses to use the official tarball as "the source", validating the checksum would not have helped. :-( Also whether it's always possible to run running autoreconf depends on the content of the tarball.

Which brings me to the (preliminary) conclusion that we'd better use repos as source of trust
@lispi314 @AndresFreundTec @glyph

Regarding guix: This is is a huge effort, still work in process, anyhow great progress has been achieved in the last months and years. Read more about this at https://guix.gnu.org/de/blog/2023/the-full-source-bootstrap-building-from-source-all-the-way-down/

Regarding #nix, I don't know whether they actually try since they even include blobs provided by others (e.g. proprietary software).
@ahelwer

Hallo @campact
Danke für die Einladung zum Förder.innen-Treffen.

Aber warum findet das Treffen auf Zoom statt? Damit schließt Ihr Menschen aus, denen ihre Grundrechte wichtig sind.

Verwendet statt dessen Alternativen wie #BigBlueButton oder @OpenTalkMeeting

Wie Ihr sicher mitbekommen habt, hat Zoom dieses Jahr einen #BigBrotherAward bekommen: https://bigbrotherawards.de/2023/zoom. Eigentlich ging der Negativpreis allerdings an z.B. Euch, die Ihr Eure Förderinnen nötigt, auf ihre Grundrechte zu verzichten.