@latein @ArdainianRight @hachi @djsumdog @meowski @BowsacNoodle @SuperLutheran @mrsaturday >I'm well aware of your creeds. I don't think they have any authority behind them, or are reason to disparage faithful JWs and Mormons.
You also believe in a lesser god, you just call him Satan.

You obviously aren't if you think anyone who denies them can honestly be called a Christian.

>All your points you made (e.g. Jesus as Creator) are null if one doesn't think John or Colossians are authoritative scripture the same way you don't think the Gospel of Judas is authoritative.

If.

>And by the way, Christianity does leave room for the Demiurge, it just calls him YHWH instead. If God made all things, then necessarily he made evil. If he is all good, why would he do that? He's either not all good, or not all powerful. That's why the Gnostic view makes a lot more sense than yours, because it accounts for a world with evil.

Some people, usually Americans these days, use YHWH to refer to God. If I referred to you as "old mate" sometimes and "Protoss" other times am I talking about two different people or just one? Besides that the first four words of the Nicene Creed blow you out of the water, "I believe in one God". So no Christianity does not leave room for multiple gods, just the One True Living God.

As for "if God made everything then why bad things?" God made Creation and it was good (very good), then humanity broke it. You see, evil isn't an entity or some kind of force it's an absence of God. When Adam and Eve disobeyed God in Eden their disobedience brought sin into the world and through sin, death. Don't try and blame God for something humans did.

You might complain about being judged for the actions of our common ancestors but you have to realise that you have also sinned against God, just as I have, and so too deserve only death.

"But Crux! God clearly let them do bad thing therefore it's His fault!" If I were to punch you in the face and say "God made me do it!" would you blame God or would you, correctly, blame me? God gave us free will, meaning He chose to limit His power so that we could freely choose what we do. We are responsible for our own actions, I can't blame God for all the times I've been a garbage person, but I can thank Him that He died so that even someone like me could be saved.

>If the OT and NT are linked then can you, from the OT alone, derive the future disanullment of the sabbath? And in John 8:11 Jesus breaks the law (Lev 20:10). So God went from stoning someone for picking up sticks, to not stoning someone for adultery.
>These are two examples of an obvious pattern Marcion was clever and just to accept, and had zeal to act upon.

"You must prove that the OT and NT are linked according to my standard!"

Christians have a saying (from Saint Augustine): The Old Testament is the New Testament concealed and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed. The links between the old and the new are where the OT points to the coming Jesus Christ and the NT reveals Him.

You can have your very jewish interpretation of the Law, just as the very jewish Pharisees did, and you'd be just as wrong as they were.

>The fruit of Mormonism is actually good (by Christian standards at least), and is on par with the Fundamentalist Baptist church I came out from.

The fruit of Mormonism is death because it rejects Christ. You being mad at fundie baptists doesn't change that.