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@benroyce @eva_chaos @humanhorseshoes @mattdm @n_dimension @Gorfram @Mikal

I doubt someone will go into that shitstorm willingly, especially Ukraine - holding a giant chunk of land (with population blaming you for everything) occupied with half or own economy destroyed, and probably all sorts of political problems at home - seems unrealisticly hard, but may be necessary, depends on all sorts of variables. China - yes, probably. I'm sure there is already a detailed plan somewhere in Xi's office.