@BowsacNoodle @WandererUber @Kirino @WashedOutGundamPilot Within the academic logic paradigm you have bested my argument. Though there is another paradigm, the schizo world where defenseless things that are our own have no references, research funding, proof, peer review studies, institutional support or tenured interest. Try as you may to defend defenseless ideas, such as love for your own people and the first paradigm no longer holds ground. The defenseless should forge new weapons to defend our ideas. A pluralistic epistemology/ontology where none of the prior is needed, since we can expect that we cannot rely on it to defend defenseless ideas. in this paradigm i am still undefeated.