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@BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss you know damn well what happens when cities ease off the minimum parking mandates: cheap developers provide as little parking as they can get away with, making the overflow everyone else's problem. literally tragedy of the commons with private profits & socialized losses.
there are major benefits to reducing density to a more manageable level, from reduced noise & light pollution, to breaking up urban heat island, to providing space for underground utilities, to allowing stormwater to seep into the ground and chill in a retention pond for a while reducing peak flow rates rather than immediately hitting an impermeable surface and rushing into the storm sewer at warp speed.
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VGH. SV DIVERSE.
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@skylar @BionicNigga @DemonSixOne @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss
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@DemonSixOne @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss don't forget the time somebody died on the subway and someone fucked the corpse
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@BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss useless forced meme outside of new york city.
there are two ways to go: either you have enough buses/trains/trams for the schedules to line up as a remotely usable system and accept the fact that they'll be running 99% empty and you're just hemorrhaging money
or you run them based on ridership, and create a system not useful to anyone because they'd have to make the 4:30 bus and wait at the train station for 2 hours to get to work by 8
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@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss >chat, meanwhile in new york city...
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@skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss Transit.
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@wan @skylar @BionicNigga @DemonSixOne @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss what the fuck
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@BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @poastoak @wgiwf @Hoss CAFE regs brutally murdered the small truck, the poor thing never stood a chance
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@BionicNigga @wgiwf @skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss Its not posted, i usually do 25-30
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@poastoak @wgiwf @skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss To get rid of stop signs it really has to be 10-15, even 25 can lead to serious injuries for pedestrians, especially with giant trucks and SUV’s dominating the new car market these days. I don’t get it, these big new trucks aren’t even that practical and I’ve heard some companies that actually need to haul shit are investing in older models, but I think the point is more to upsell customers than to make any actual sense.
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@wgiwf @BionicNigga @skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss On the other hand we have at least one traffic fatality every year in my town because most intersections in residential areas don't have stop or even yield signs, in any direction.
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@poastoak @wgiwf @skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss What’s the speed limit?
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@skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss At the risk of sounding like a broken record, within town a car-based transportation network works more efficiently in a grid of low-speed streets and high-speed roads since cars compete less for the same space and have more time to react to pedestrians and each other. At the end of the day though, I’m not a /r/FuckCars nutcase, so I really have no problem with suburbs simply existing or other people liking them. I’d just like there to be other options and think we need better solutions to traffic engineering and cities’ financial problems, and it irks me that 99% of people talking about this are sneering leftists who think the only reason you’d be concerned about crime is their infantile understanding of “racism”.
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@BionicNigga @skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss A bunch of low speed non-arterial streets means you can do away with stop lights, and even signs, at many intersections thereby reducing time waiting in traffic.
What really kills things is that a lot of the post-war residential and commercial development away from core city areas doesn't make sense in their road layouts, instead being driven by developer decisions instead of traffic or financial stability.
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@BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss my problem is when you're prioritizing pedestrians and everyone else over drivers. like i said, it's the same as the left, caring more about the safety of some fent zombie so he can aimlessly wander into the street no matter how many decent normal people get inconvenienced with slower travel along the way.
i like living in a completely car-dependent neighborhood of nothing but single family houses and driving everywhere i need to go. it's fast, convenient, and comfy! so having a bunch of new urbanists come in and sabotage zoning laws and parking requirements so i have to worry about developers coming in an throwing up an apartment building a couple houses down that'll make the neighborhood more crowded, or building a store or restaurant that has constant traffic and noise. the same goes for places i want to go, if the developer there can get away with building too small of parking lot, where am i gonna park?
and i sure as hell don't want my street narrowed or a bunch of random curbs and shit in the middle of it to slow down traffic. that doesn't benefit me in the slightest, because i can't use the street for anything but driving on, it's just a pointless inconvenience.
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@BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss the mall must be returned to its former glory, even if it's not a for-profit endeavor and costs the city money to maintain.
we will put up neon lights inside, and serve drinks in the food court from the 90s cup.
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@skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss Let’s try to find some common ground for agreement, since while I don’t think the financials of the current American model work, you do seem to know a thing or two about urban planning. While there are a lot of obvious benefits to cars, what are the main things in the current system that you want to preserve or improve upon that you think my solution would fail to improve or even ruin? Or even, what do you think it gets right more broadly?
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@WandererUber @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss my point is that some things that are nice and worth having are costs rather than generating revenue, and that's okay. we're not midwits with MBAs insisting every department of the company must directly generate revenue, cutting QA and IT, and then suffering the consequences.
having a convenient place to shop pays off in saving people time, even if it costs money in infrastructure to build and maintain.
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@skylar @WandererUber @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss The funny thing is that malls as originally conceptualized likely would have solved both our gripes, as they were meant to be the central social/commercial hub of a revised version of the suburban experiment, but unfortunately that never really happened.
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@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss that's not a good reply, you just moved the goalpost. This was about cost, which you brought up in the first place.
People "want" all kinds of stuff. They'd probably want to dump their garbage into the storm drains if we let them. That's no basis for a community.
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@skylar @WandererUber @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss Big box stores don’t, they‘re international conglomerates that don’t play nice with the rest of the community, suck business away from downtown, destroy more jobs than they create, pay subsistence wages, and to top it all off when they eventually close the building is useless for other retailers because they have deed restrictions preventing basically anyone else from using it and so it becomes yet another liability for the city.
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@BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss yet people keep wanting to shop there, because it's more convenient than going downtown and walking/driving to 6 different places.
i am not a women so shopping is a chore, not a leisure activity.
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@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss they did the opposite in the video thougheverbeit. The suburbs are not doing well. they lose the cities money.
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@WandererUber @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss SHOCKING REVELATION: places where people live cost money, places where people go to shop and work generate revenue
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@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss not the studies the walkable cities guys cite though, those are all bullshit
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@WandererUber @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss unironically yes
60% of it is LOOK GUYS THIS ROAD WE INTENTIONALLY FUCKED UP IS 53% SAFER.......because now people are choosing other routes to go around it
39% is LOOK AT THIS CHERRY PICKED SELECTION OF ONE CITY'S DOWNTOWN THAT'S DOING WELL.....but please ignore the other 537 square miles of the same metro area that are also doing well despite being mostly traditional american suburb
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@WandererUber @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss the problems happen when a few city councilmen go on a fancy golf outing with the owner of Goldblatt Development LLC and then haha whoops all the planning backed up by studies goes out the window.
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@BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss first off you gotta quit assuming all parking that's not constantly in use 24/7/365 is "excessive". the idea is to build for peak demand, so there's always capacity at other times.
civil engineers have put a lot of work into figuring out how much capacity is needed for buildings of various types and you're out here just totally dismissing that because you saw a mostly empty walmart once.
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@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss >every city is just managed by retards, it could work in principle
>civil engineers have it all figured out
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@skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss It is expensive, but then so is maintaining road infrastructure and endless parking lots for dying malls and parasitic big box stores. I’ll admit that in smaller towns reducing car dependence may not be realistic or even as desirable - they manage to make it work in the Netherlands but that doesn’t necessarily mean it would work here, and other European countries struggle with their transportation systems. But stroads and excessive parking are a financial blight on American cities, and when they’re an active threat to the public safety of our people it’s not unreasonable to look for a better way.
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Small trucks are making a comeback. I fucking hate Bezos, but I gotta admit this Slate trucks startup he's funding seems pretty nifty.
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@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss You could easily get away with just yield signs on neighborhood streets if you keep the speeds low enough. I meant stop sighs at many intersections are unnecessary
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@wgiwf @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss especially 4 way stops, those should only be used in places where there's really exceptional levels of danger.
yield signs are good. overuse of stop signs just makes people roll them.
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@wgiwf @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss ain't no way, people will just crash if there's no stop/yield sign for one direction
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