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    gyptazy (gyptazy@mastodon.gyptazy.com)'s status on Monday, 05-May-2025 16:47:23 JST gyptazy gyptazy

    Is the #Fediverse really open for #freedom?

    In the last weeks, I noticed more & more messages from different instances/admins about moderation, banning and de-federations. Initially, people told the Fediverse is more open, not blocking and deleting content compared to other social medias. However, I think it shifted to the opposite where a single instance admin decides for the whole user base (which might not even be aware of it).

    #community #activitypub #federation #opensource #socialmedia

    In conversation about a month ago from mastodon.gyptazy.com permalink
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      翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 05-May-2025 16:47:21 JST 翠星石 翠星石
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      @gyptazy GNU Social and Pleoroma are always free for freedom, but many Mastodon instances have other ideas.
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      nigel (nigel@snac.lowkey.party)'s status on Monday, 05-May-2025 16:48:04 JST nigel nigel
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      • stux⚡
      you have to be a MASSIVE douchebag to get defederated or banned on here, and those instances are well on the fringes.
      Not true. Fosstodon sorted their shit, and after people knew it was sorted, other instance admins STILL blocked them. That all seems quite childish to me (the Moderator in question left of their own accord, which tells me they are far more adult about the incident than anyone else).

      So no, you don't have to be a massive douche, you just need to not go along with the narrative the other large instance admins push. It's been like this for half a decade; it's extremely immature and I'm sick of feeling like one of the only adults in a room overrun by screaming toddlers.

      CC: @gyptazy@gyptazy.com @stux@mstdn.social
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      Knut 🏳️‍🌈 🇳🇴🧸 (praetor@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 05-May-2025 16:48:05 JST Knut 🏳️‍🌈 🇳🇴🧸 Knut 🏳️‍🌈 🇳🇴🧸
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      • stux⚡

      @gyptazy nah. I'm a grumpy little gay man who uses the word fuck in a wide assortment of ways...not banned. Making new frens actually. Honestly you have to be a MASSIVE douchebag to get defederated or banned on here, and those instances are well on the fringes. And I mean the weird mustache fringes. It's expensive to run an instance!! Very! My lil buddy @stux basically lives in a cardboard box (in the Netherlands so you know it's nice) to keep his running.

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      tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Monday, 05-May-2025 16:48:46 JST tyil tyil
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      @gyptazy@mastodon.gyptazy.com The #Fediverse itself, generally, is. Many (most?) #Mastodon instances, appear not to be. Anyone supporting #FediBlock or likeminded initiatives is not in favour of an open Fediverse, they simply wish to create a new variant of #Twitter where they are the ruling class.

      If you stick to the places which are "banned" by such initiatives, you reach a public that deeply cares for freedom of speech and/or opinion, and are unlikely to defederate entire instances for it. Many will still defederate spam instances, but there are even those that don't defederate from those. The "downside" is that you will have to experience opinions you disagree with, though if you are above average intelligence, you will actually value this as a major benefit.

      To promote the idea of freedom (of thought), run alternative software to Mastodon, such as #Pleroma or #Misskey. Avoid alternatives that strongly desire to limit what kind of opinion you're allowed to have on any topic. Avoid any instance that partakes in shared blocklists. Don't trust any admin that wants more than 200 users, or otherwise desires to grow for the sake of growth. And don't trust any admin that is unwilling to publicize their blocklist.

      If you want a quick and easy way to experience more freedom, actually sign up and/or follow people on instances listed on shared blocklists.

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      tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Monday, 05-May-2025 16:49:01 JST tyil tyil
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      • CpyJx 🍉

      @Cappyjax@mastodon.social If dissatisfied, you can move to another instance, unlike centralized platformsTo some degree, this is false. Shared blocklists go against the idea of people having choice in instances, and they are very popular on large #Mastodon servers, but also on some forks of #Misskey and #Pleroma. While you can still technically switch instance, the shared blocklist ensures you will not be able to experience truly different opinions and mindsets.

      Admins have to stop trying to have "big" instances, and shared blocklists are a cancer upon the open discourse inherent upon the idea of the Fediverse.

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      CpyJx 🍉 (cappyjax@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 05-May-2025 16:49:02 JST CpyJx 🍉 CpyJx 🍉
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      While it's true individual admins have moderation power, the Fediverse's strength lies in user choice. You select instances aligning with your values and moderation preferences. If dissatisfied, you can move to another instance, unlike centralized platforms. This distributed model fosters diverse communities and empowers users with greater control over their online experience. This brings us back to the "old web" ethos, where niche communities not only existed but thrived.

      In conversation about a month ago permalink
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      翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 06-May-2025 14:06:28 JST 翠星石 翠星石
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      • Noisytoot
      @noisytoot @gyptazy GNU Social and Pleroma instances tend to be run for freedom and thus hosts tend not to censor with massive blocklists.
      In conversation about a month ago permalink
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      Noisytoot (noisytoot@berkeley.edu.pl)'s status on Tuesday, 06-May-2025 14:06:34 JST Noisytoot Noisytoot
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      • 翠星石
      @Suiseiseki @gyptazy That's not an inherent property of the software. There's no reason why you couldn't use a shared blocklist on a GNU Social or Pleroma instance.
      In conversation about a month ago permalink
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      Nicholas Conrad (nicholas@aklp.club)'s status on Tuesday, 06-May-2025 14:28:16 JST Nicholas Conrad Nicholas Conrad
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      Instance admins being able to decide for themselves which instances to federate with is also a freedom. And if you are a user and don't like your admin's decisions you have the freedom to pick a better server, or star your own.

      Yes, a lot of Mastodon instances enjoy blocking any Instance harboring a user capible of nuance or humor, but honestly did you really want to share a network with such unhinged scolded? Better that they wall themselves off and stop nagging us.

      In conversation about a month ago permalink

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      翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 06-May-2025 14:57:31 JST 翠星石 翠星石
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      • Nicholas Conrad
      @nicholas @gyptazy >Instance admins being able to decide for themselves which instances to federate with is also a freedom.
      That is not freedom unless the instance admin is the only user of the instance.

      It is an act of *censorship* to decide for others what they may see.

      If it was implemented as a "spam", or "fun" etc lists for individual users or instances, that the user had the freedom to enable or disable, it would be freedom.

      >don't like your admin's decisions you have the freedom to pick a better serve
      Having to determine that instance admins are rogue (which is quite difficult, as many instances don't publish blocklists) and then having to pick a better instance is merely a mitigation for censorship rather than a freedom.
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      翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 07-May-2025 00:38:52 JST 翠星石 翠星石
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      • Nicholas Conrad
      @nicholas @gyptazy Where did that come from?

      I haven't seen any of such instances (most likely because the feds would arrest those behind them extremely rapidly, but I haven't looked for such) and I have doubts that they've ever existed.

      Regardless, the "media cache" feature is a stupid idea and is left disabled by any competent host.

      >I'm in no way interfering with the blocked server's ability to function
      You are interfering with the delivery of messages that the user may wish to have the freedom to choose to see or not.
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      Nicholas Conrad (nicholas@aklp.club)'s status on Wednesday, 07-May-2025 00:38:53 JST Nicholas Conrad Nicholas Conrad
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      • 翠星石

      Nope. I'm not federating to csam instances and then letting user individually decide if I'm going to have that on my server or not. No one has a right to store images on my hardware I don't consent to have there. Blocking an instance is not censorship because I'm in no way interfering with the blocked server's ability to function or of anyone else who wants to to federate with them. People who don't want to use my server under those conditions are perfectly free to start their own and federate with anyone they choose.

      In conversation about a month ago permalink

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