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    pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 09:05:25 JST pwm pwm
    okay but actually if my appliances could hit my mqtt broker with status updates that would be neat
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      pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 09:05:45 JST pwm pwm
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      power user smart devices are cool, bugmen tier are not
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 09:08:58 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @pwm There's some message bus that uses mains AC as a carrier wave that's been around since the 70s. I don't remember the name of it, but I do remember that at least one person on fedi knows what it's called and he mentioned it at SPC Movie Night on the night when Dad showed a movie about appliances killing people and I don't think I wrote it down because I tried to find it a few weeks ago and could not.
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 09:11:22 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @pwm Apparently, like, most microwaves and dishwashers and whatnot can exchange messages through it but not too many devices do anything interesting with it so just your appliances yell down the wire that the dishes are clean. It has a Wikipedia page but Wikipedia was useless when I tried to find it.
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      ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡ (toiletpaper@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 09:11:36 JST ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡ ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡
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      @p @pwm

      home plug?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug
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        HomePlug
        HomePlug is the family name for various power line communications specifications under the HomePlug designation, each with unique capabilities and compatibility with other HomePlug specifications. Some HomePlug specifications target broadband applications. For instance in-home distribution of low data rate IPTV, gaming, and Internet content, while others focus on low power, low throughput and extended operating temperatures for applications such as smart power meters and in-home communications between electric systems and appliances. All of the HomePlug specifications were developed by the HomePlug Powerline Alliance, which also owns the HomePlug trademark. On 18 October 2016 the HomePlug Alliance announced that all of its specifications would be put into the public domain and that other organizations would be taking on future activities relating to deployment of the existing technologies. There was no mention in the announcement of any further technology development within the HomePlug community. HomePlug Powerline Alliance ...
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      Judge Dread (judgedread@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 09:11:41 JST Judge Dread Judge Dread
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      @p The Brave Little Toaster?

      No wait, that's about appliances getting killed...
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      pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 09:12:35 JST pwm pwm
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      @p So I guess you put a box on your electrical panel that receives these messages and passes them on to your network? There's definitely some interesting shit there
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 09:12:44 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @toiletpaper @pwm Nah, like, 1970s and it had an acronym instead of a brand-sounding name.
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 09:23:58 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @judgedread MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE, per https://static.banky.club/seriousposter/spc-movies.txt . I *think*.
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      Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 09:26:00 JST Fish of Rage Fish of Rage
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      @p @judgedread wow I didn't realize that server was still running lol
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      ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡ (toiletpaper@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 09:26:06 JST ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡ ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡
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      @p @pwm

      Maybe BPL (Broadband over Power Lines)? X10 is from the 1970's, but BPL itself goes back as early as 1914. My neighbour's house is networked using homeplug, which I guess is the modern iteration of the concept. It works decently enough, and the devices are fairly inexpensive.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband_over_power_lines
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X10_(industry_standard)
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-line_communication
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        Power-line communication
        Power-line communication (also known as power-line carrier), abbreviated as PLC, carries data on a conductor that is also used simultaneously for AC electric power transmission or electric power distribution to consumers. A wide range of power-line communication technologies are needed for different applications, ranging from home automation to Internet access which is often called broadband over power lines (BPL). Most PLC technologies limit themselves to one type of wires (such as premises wiring within a single building), but some can cross between two levels (for example, both the distribution network and premises wiring). Typically transformers prevent propagating the signal, which requires multiple technologies to form very large networks. Various data rates and frequencies are used in different situations. A number of difficult technical problems are common between wireless and power-line communication, notably those of spread spectrum radio signals operating in a crowded environment. Radio interference, for example, has long been a concern of amateur radio groups. Basics Power-line communications...
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        Broadband over power lines
        Broadband over power lines (BPL) is a method of power-line communication (PLC) that allows relatively high-speed digital data transmission over public electric power distribution wiring. BPL uses higher frequencies, a wider frequency range, and different technologies compared to other forms of power-line communications to provide high-rate communication over longer distances. BPL uses frequencies that are part of the radio spectrum allocated to over-the-air communication services; therefore, the prevention of interference to, and from, these services is a very important factor in designing BPL systems. There are two main categories of BPL: in-house and access. In-house BPL is broadband access within a building or structure using the electric lines of the structure to provide the network infrastructure. Access BPL is the use of electrical transmission lines to deliver broadband to the home. Access BPL is considered a viable alternative to Cable or DSL to provide the 'final mile' of broadband to end users. History BPL is based on PLC technology developed as far back as 1914 by the US telecommunications company AT&amp...
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        X10 (industry standard)
        X10 is a protocol for communication among electronic devices used for home automation (domotics). It primarily uses power line wiring for signaling and control, where the signals involve brief radio frequency bursts representing digital information. A wireless radio-based protocol transport is also defined. X10 was developed in 1975 by Pico Electronics of Glenrothes, Scotland, in order to allow remote control of home devices and appliances. It was the first general purpose home automation network technology and remains the most widely available. Although a number of higher-bandwidth alternatives exist, X10 remains popular in the home environment with millions of units in use worldwide, and inexpensive availability of new components. History In 1970, a group of engineers started a company in Glenrothes, Scotland called Pico Electronics. The company developed the first single chip calculator. When calculator integrated circuit prices started to fall, Pico refocused on commercial products rather than plain ICs. In 1974, the Pico engineers jointly developed an LP record turntable, the ADC Accutrac 4000, with...
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      pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 09:26:06 JST pwm pwm
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      @toiletpaper @p > In 2007, the NATO Research and Technology Organization released a report which concluded that widespread deployment of BPL may have a "possible detrimental effect upon military HF radio communications."

      tfw you turn the entire grid into an RF jammer to deny sigint to the enemy
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      Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 09:27:43 JST Hoss Delgado Hoss Delgado
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      Potentially useful information for the day we need to repel the Blue Helmets.
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 09:31:35 JST pistolero pistolero
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      > So I guess you put a box on your electrical panel that receives these messages and passes them on to your network? There's definitely some interesting shit there

      Yeah, you can pick up and send messages. The idea was interoperability with early home automation systems, control the garage door from the intercom panel or get a blinking LED when the dishwasher was done or whatever.
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 09:33:32 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @sun @judgedread THAT FILE IS REALLY IMPORTANT, MR. MOON.

      (I am kind of astonished that "The Stuff", "The Crazies", and "Remember My Name" were not on the list, they seem right up Movie Night's alley.)
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      Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 09:34:56 JST Fish of Rage Fish of Rage
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      @p @judgedread dad has an updated one
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 09:42:58 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @toiletpaper @pwm

      Maybe X10; I don't think so, though.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BACnet
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modbus#JBUS_mapping

      It has to have been created before 1986, the year in which Maximum Overdrive was released.
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        BACnet
        BACnet is a communication protocol for building automation and control (BAC) networks that use the ASHRAE, ANSI, and ISO 16484-5 standards protocol. BACnet was designed to allow communication of building automation and control systems for applications such as heating, ventilating, and air-conditioning control (HVAC), lighting control, access control, and fire detection systems and their associated equipment. The BACnet protocol provides mechanisms for computerized building automation devices to exchange information, regardless of the particular building service they perform. History The development of the BACnet protocol began in June, 1987, in Nashville, Tennessee, at the inaugural meeting of the ASHRAE BACnet committee, known at that time as SPC 135P, "EMCS Message Protocol". The committee worked at reaching consensus using working groups to divide up the task of creating a standard. The working groups focused on specific areas and provided information and recommendations to the main committee. The first three working groups were the Data Type and Attribute Working Group, Primitive Data Format Working Group, and the Application...
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        Modbus
        Modbus or MODBUS is a client/server data communications protocol in the application layer. It was originally designed for use with programmable logic controllers (PLCs), but has become a de facto standard communication protocol for communication between industrial electronic devices in a wide range of buses and networks. Modbus is popular in industrial environments because it is openly published and royalty-free. It was developed for industrial applications, is relatively easy to deploy and maintain compared to other standards, and places few restrictions on the format of the data to be transmitted. The Modbus protocol uses serial communication lines, Ethernet, or the Internet protocol suite as a transport layer. Modbus supports communication to and from multiple devices connected to the same cable or Ethernet network. For example, there can be a device that measures temperature and another device to measure humidity connected to the same cable, both communicating measurements to the same computer, via Modbus. Modbus is often used to connect a plant/system supervisory computer with a remote terminal unit (RTU) in supervisory control and data acquisition...
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 09:44:31 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @sun @judgedread I got to that one from his profile.
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      Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 09:46:05 JST Fish of Rage Fish of Rage
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      @p @judgedread it looks like i broke the cert. will fix it later
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      Dad (noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 11:17:17 JST Dad Dad
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      @p @judgedread either that or Chopping Mall.
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 11:28:15 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @noyoushutthefuckupdad @judgedread I think it was Maximum Overdrive because I've never seen Chopping Mall.

      Hey, which guy was it that said a protocol and I said that that was pretty cool, and was it in the chat or on fedi?
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      Dad (noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 11:35:27 JST Dad Dad
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      @p @judgedread protocols....... of zion, perhaps?
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 11:39:51 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @noyoushutthefuckupdad @judgedread No, no, you're thinking of "The Emoji Movie" or "Cuck" or "Bad Santa" or one of those movies.
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      nimrod (nimrod@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 11:40:15 JST nimrod nimrod
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      @noyoushutthefuckupdad @p @judgedread Elders of Zeon?
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      Dad (noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 11:55:30 JST Dad Dad
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      @p @judgedread Cuck was amazing. much better than the Joker movie that came out around the same time.
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 11:56:39 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @noyoushutthefuckupdad @judgedread No, I remember; I attended that night. It was a movie about how if you like 4chan and you think the woman next door is attractive, her husband will jizz on your face.
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 12:01:18 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @noyoushutthefuckupdad @judgedread (I don't think we are going to agree on the quality of those two movies, relative to each other or in absolute terms; it stuck out in my mind because it was the only movie that you liked and that I hated; usually it's the other way around.)
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      Dad (noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 12:03:37 JST Dad Dad
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      @p @judgedread IMO it achieved the rare, coveted, "so bad it's good" designation. but I understand if anyone else found it unwatchable.
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 12:17:54 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @noyoushutthefuckupdad @judgedread Well, not unwatchable per se; I can't say that, I watched it. But it was like someone decided to make a collage of John Oliver monologues and take out anything that might pass as a joke.
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      受不了包 (shibao@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 13:54:00 JST 受不了包 受不了包
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      @p@fsebugoutzone.org @pwm@darkdork.dev x10? power line communication is so fascinating, idk when i first heard of it but i was like wHAT

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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Apr-2025 15:09:46 JST pistolero pistolero
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      > x10?

      Seems to be the consensus that this is what I probably should have remembered. But, you know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeping_Beauty_problem .

      > power line communication is so fascinating, idk when i first heard of it but i was like wHAT

      Well, it's anything with a carrier wave, right? And power is like 60Hz.

      I don't know why :wAhT: is "wAhT". I went looking in the theft directory and it doesn't appear anywhere besides the FSE directory so either it was stolen before I started bulk-stealing or it was suggested and I put it there, with the weird capital letters and everything, and I think I'd remember that. There must be a reason.
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        Sleeping Beauty problem
        The Sleeping Beauty problem, also known as the Sleeping Beauty paradox, is a puzzle in decision theory in which an ideally rational epistemic agent is told she will be awoken from sleep either once or twice according to the toss of a coin. Each time she will have no memory of whether she has been awoken before, and is asked what her degree of belief that “the outcome of the coin toss is Heads” ought to be when she is first awakened. History The problem was originally formulated in unpublished work in the mid-1980s by Arnold Zuboff (the work was later published as "One Self: The Logic of Experience") followed by a paper by Adam Elga. A formal analysis of the problem of belief formation in decision problems with imperfect recall was provided first by Michele Piccione and Ariel Rubinstein in their paper: "On the Interpretation of Decision Problems with Imperfect Recall" where the "paradox of the absent minded driver" was first introduced and the Sleeping Beauty problem discussed as Example 5. The name "Sleeping Beauty" was given to the problem by Robert Stalnaker and was first used in extensive discussion in the Usenet newsgroup...
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