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   Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 00:48:51 JST Paul Cantrell

   OK, from the replies, some useful tidbits:

   - To end a Tesla lease early, you don’t have to pay the full amount remaining — only the balance •minus• the car’s current resale value.

   - Cars depreciate, so you’ll lose some money. But…

   - …if the used market is dropping fast, Tesla’s official resale value will probably lag behind reality. Thus breaking a lease actually •can• take money straight out of Tesla’s pockets.

   - To maximize this strategy, people should break their leases •soon• and •simultaneously•. Coordinate a campaign!

   Would still really, really, really like somebody with professional expertise to work all this out.

   #TeslaTakedown https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/114089737787084906

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 00:50:23 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Michael Dekker

     Thanks especially to @dekk for the point about Tesla’s estimated resale value lagging behind reality. I was slow to pick up on it at first, but he walked me through it until the light bulb went on. And it seems like a potentially devastating point for the company.

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     Robert Weißgraeber🇪🇺 (rw007@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 01:55:31 JST Robert Weißgraeber🇪🇺

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     @inthehands actually it seems impossible to do at the moment. hey removed the button in the app weeks ago for me, and emails are getting handled extremely slowly. i’m trying since 3 weeks (germany, b2b leasing)

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 01:55:31 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Robert Weißgraeber🇪🇺

     @rw007
     Keep trying! And share notes! I’m sure you are not alone, and I’m also sure they are trying to slow-walk it.

     Get legal support if you can.

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     Bruce MacDonald (rationaldoge@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 02:12:42 JST Bruce MacDonald

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     @inthehands Paul, a Tesla passed us on the interstate and I noticed a subtle decal on the rear where the "Dual Motor" crow-phrase would have been. Instead, in a similar font and size, it read, "Anti-Elon."

     People feeling the sting, I reckon, and I empathize with early adopters, not knowing the future.

     Now, just between you and me, I hope that the leadership of Fuji Heavy Industries Limited doesn't do anything foolish.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 02:31:42 JST Paul Cantrell

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     I always get a little trickle of replies to these posts along the lines of “anyone who purchased a Tesla is stupid / has infinite money / deserves to be harmed / screw them all,” and I feel your anger, but…just…look…

     1/5

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 02:32:32 JST Paul Cantrell

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     That reaction is FACTUALLY WRONG:

     Lots of smart, principled, not-ultra-wealthy people stretched their finances trying to fight climate change using the best information they had, are not as terminally online as you, didn’t know about Musk as soon as you did, got screwed, and are now in a financial pickle trying to get out.

     (•You•’ve never made a decision you regretted? Really?? If so, that’s a sure sign that there’s something wrong with you.)

     Plenty of intelligent, decent people got scammed by Musk. Berating them doesn’t help fight fascism. It’s just self-indulgenct wankery.

     2/5

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 02:35:00 JST Paul Cantrell

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     That reaction is MORALLY WRONG:

     Are we not trying to build a world where people treat each other with kindness and respect?

     Yes, please, punch Nazis. Punch actual Nazis.

     But make sure you’re punching actual Nazis — not people you wrongly assume are Nazis based on your personal stereotypes. Harming other human beings is a last resort. Do not give in to the pleasure of it.

     3/5

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 02:37:56 JST Paul Cantrell

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     That reaction is BAD PRAXIS:

     The thing that defeats fascism is coalition-building. That is a strictly necessary condition.

     Hitler rose to power because the center and the various leftist factions spent more time punching each other than they did punching Nazis. Coalitions are all about working with people you don’t necessarily like.

     So people who can afford Teslas are too rich for you to be besties, even the anti-fascist ones? Fine. Whatever. If you can’t work with them to fight fascism when they want to fight fascism, we’re all screwed.

     4/5

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 02:42:52 JST Paul Cantrell

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     When we call them “Swasticars,” when we talk about anti-Musk stickers, when I boost photos of Teslas on fire, punishing the •people• who own the cars is not the point. It’s the opposite of the point.

     The point is making the brand so toxic and the cars so miserable to own that the stock tanks. The point is defeating fascism. I would like to •minimize• the harm to broad swaths of individual people while doing that. I understand that fighting fascism is an ugly business, but harming people in the process is not something to relish. This isn’t about •punishment• — unless you’re aspiring to be a cop.

     Sadism is not anti-fascist.

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     Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified: (adamshostack@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 02:43:45 JST Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified:

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     @inthehands Let it go Paul, it's mastodon and the HOA members need you to understand they have never made a mistake, and also their hobby-horse explains that thing perfectly.

     (1/n)

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 02:43:45 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified:

     @adamshostack
     Indeed.

     As always with this kind of thing, I’m not preaching to the HOA folks; they’re not going to change. This is for the quiet bystanders.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 02:44:12 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Héliosélène

     @helioselene
     Yes, •because• they thought the communists posed more danger than the Nazis! You have corretly identified my point.

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     Héliosélène (helioselene@h4.io)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 02:44:13 JST Héliosélène

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     @inthehands

     Actually the center chose Hitler over the Left.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 02:46:24 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Jackie 🍉🏳️‍⚧️☭

     @burnoutqueen
     “The centrist parties in Weimar Germany voted for the Enabling Act themselves. They had no principles against fascism”

     Exactly my point! They had no clue. The Catholics in particular thought that communism was the threat, not the Nazis. And the Catholics very very quickly regretted that.

     There was no lack of berating directed at the Catholic coalition from the leftists. And berating failed miserably. Total strategic failure, giving in to the self-indulgence of the high horse instead of building a coalition against the threat that only •some• people fulling perceived in 1933.

     Leftists damn well better learn from that mistake. Many have, but others are struggling.

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     Jackie 🍉🏳️‍⚧️☭ (burnoutqueen@todon.nl)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 02:46:26 JST Jackie 🍉🏳️‍⚧️☭

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     @inthehands

     A united front is a good idea. However, it is predicated on some kind of unity against fascism.

     The centrist parties in Weimar Germany voted for the Enabling Act themselves. They had no principles against fascism, and were perfectly willing to enable fascism in order to advance parliamentary compromise.

     In order for me to endorse a united front, I need to see indications that the center right faction actually opposes MAGA talking points on transgender people and immigration fervently and passionately. I haven't seen it this far.

     Bernie and AOC understand fascism decently for US politicians. Hakeem Jefferies? Not so much.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 02:47:16 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Jackie 🍉🏳️‍⚧️☭

     @burnoutqueen
     Politicians are tools. We should grab them and •use• them — just like the Tea Party movement did. Not leaders. Not saviors. Tools.

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     Jackie 🍉🏳️‍⚧️☭ (burnoutqueen@todon.nl)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 02:47:17 JST Jackie 🍉🏳️‍⚧️☭

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     @inthehands

     Maybe I'm personally being unreasonable, but I would argue that a grand coalition of fascism is going to leave out most politicians, because most US politicians are willing to allow fascism to emerge in order to protect the dominance of multinational corporations.

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     okanogen VerminEnemyFromWithin (okanogen@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 02:50:22 JST okanogen VerminEnemyFromWithin

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     @inthehands
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     I can't fault someone for buying an electric car before they had any reason to believe it would be supporting a eugenist nazi. Prior to 2 or 3 years ago, how was anyone to have a clue? How would someone know buying a Model T would support a nazi in the 1920's?

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 02:50:22 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • okanogen VerminEnemyFromWithin

     @Okanogen
     That’s right. And individual responsibility aside, convincing myself that other people are wrong does nothing to get the fash out of office.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 03:11:05 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Wulfy—Speaker to the machines

     @n_dimension
     Ha, whatever turns your crank, I guess!

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     Wulfy—Speaker to the machines (n_dimension@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 03:11:06 JST Wulfy—Speaker to the machines

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     @inthehands

     I unfollowed you...

     ...just so I could get that delicious dopamine boost for re-following you again.

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     Marsh Gardiner 💡🐝🔧 (earth2marsh@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 03:39:51 JST Marsh Gardiner 💡🐝🔧

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     @inthehands Well said! The best response to othering is togethering.

     United we stand; divided we fall.