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   SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 05:44:13 JST SuperDicq

   Since October 1st 2024 Microsoft has deprecated Windows Mixed Reality on Windows 11, essentially turning all Mixed Reality devices (like the HP Reverb and Samsung Odyssey HMD) into e-waste.
   
   I mean this sucks for owners of these devices and planned obsolescence is very bad.
   
   But using the free software Monado OpenXR runtime and the OpenHMD drivers on on GNU/Linux, these devices still work completely fine!
   
   So if you ever wanted to own a VR headset, this might be the best opportunity you're gonna get to buy one.
   
   Because Microsoft ended support for them they are currently being listed on used marketplaces for anywhere from 50 to 100 euros. These devices were sold for up to 900 euros only 5 years ago!

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 05:55:26 JST SuperDicq

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     • Pie-jacker875

     @Piejacker875@linuxrocks.online I assume most people don't use their VR headset for very long, most people just have them collecting dust anyways.
     
     Also same rules apply as buying used headphones, just replace the pads?

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     Pie-jacker875 (piejacker875@linuxrocks.online)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 05:55:28 JST Pie-jacker875

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     @SuperDicq I'm not sure what sort of cleaning would make me comfortable with wearing something that someone else put on their face for 5 years

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 05:59:30 JST SuperDicq

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     • Trash Panda

     @raccoon@hollow.raccoon.quest Yes, some kits include controllers and they work on GNU/Linux as well.

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     Trash Panda (raccoon@hollow.raccoon.quest)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 05:59:32 JST Trash Panda

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     @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
     Are those like... VR sets? Maybe I can finally snatch a VR set for cheap :O

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:03:44 JST SuperDicq

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     • Trash Panda

     @raccoon@hollow.raccoon.quest I don't own any of these devices so don't take my recommendations too seriously but I think the HP Reverb G2 looks pretty good compared to the Samsung Odyssey that I'm currently looking at.
     
     The HP has thumbstick controllers while Samsung's uses touchpads (like the steam controllers) and the HP one has a higher resolution and FOV?

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     Trash Panda (raccoon@hollow.raccoon.quest)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:03:45 JST Trash Panda

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     @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
     Holy cow, do you happen to be able to recommend something? I ALWAYS wanted to get a set but the price was always too much for me!

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:04:38 JST SuperDicq

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     • Yomiel

     @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe Free drivers are currently what is saving these devices from being e-waste.

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     Yomiel (yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:04:39 JST Yomiel

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     @SuperDicq
     I got one of the WMR headsets to play HL:A and boneworks a while ago, I got an amazing deal, 150 pounds, brand new sealed. I ended up selling it, though I'm not so sad since there's nothing I really want to play in VR anymore.
     
     Happy to here open source drivers are getting developed for it, that's really cool.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:12:04 JST SuperDicq

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     This is old news but this is actually the case for many devices. Free software is actively saving many "deprecated" devices from the scrapheap.
     
     Here's a probably incomplete list of peripherals that I own that no longer work on Windows, but still work on GNU/Linux completely fine with zero issues:
     
     Logitech G27
     Wacom Intuos 3
     3DConnexion SpaceExplorer
     Sony Dualshock 3
     Various Bluetooth and WiFi PCI cards/dongles
     
     And probably soon one of these headsets.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:16:27 JST SuperDicq

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     And yes, I do have a kink for strange and uncommon computer input devices.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:22:21 JST SuperDicq

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     • Yomiel

     @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe My Wacom Intuos 3 is from 2006 or so. It's still a perfect drawing tablet, the technology hasn't really improved since then.
     
     I mean modern tablets have like BIG_INT levels of pressure sensitivity instead of "only" 256 like this one but I don't notice that, especially at my skill level.
     
     As for the Dualshock 3 controller, this device has never had a Windows driver. I assume during the PS3 era when this controller was relevant Microsoft probably thought it was a better idea to not support it so they could sell more Xbox 360 controllers instead.
     
     On GNU/Linux however the Dualshock 3 is in the mainline kernel and it just works plug and play. I still play a ton of games with this thing.

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     Yomiel (yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:22:22 JST Yomiel

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     I'm understand WMR since it's an application installed on windows being deprecated, but why stuff like the Wacom tablet and Dualshock controller? Surely they could just have the driver on their server that downloads to your computer.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:23:30 JST SuperDicq

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     • Trash Panda

     @raccoon@hollow.raccoon.quest 78 euros, that's within the price range that I mentioned. Maybe you can lowball the seller even more by telling them that the official software no longer works.

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     Trash Panda (raccoon@hollow.raccoon.quest)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:23:31 JST Trash Panda

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     @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
     Damn... Most of the things I found are still expensive as fuck, this is the cheapest I could find, I hope I'm not late to hop on this train :P
     https://www.ebay.it/itm/226377692116?_skw=Samsung%20Odyssey%20HMD&itmmeta=01JKBZ88FAR4N6P7YHKCDSBJK6&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA0HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKkcN%2BjPN5hZC0%2BcEgk2VtMJ9GSlL4Zlq11Kq7Ig6JodcX81YJZ%2BDsrNh82AAuSeWl53guRsDz5eA3D6J4ggJ9COvLDVe%2BQa7vpgOxy5zHzWCYZx0vzYRwsz5J6Lq5kP9TaAJl64K1FsvLsLhL0eJAoibyFA9okAduPtPhdhNu2foqTcewu%2B232U3LgtAGM2u%2Ba5Tu4ncuF0%2FBWLz3hWo8eTjBfWdKwY30%2FOuW9tZpH2rjv5Kb9%2FneMHD1Z4Rn2D8jg%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8qIof-aZQ

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:27:51 JST SuperDicq

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     • Yomiel

     @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe Dualshock 3 controllers are great. You can often find them for 5-10 euros or something at flea markets and such.
     
     I own 5 of them.

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     Yomiel (yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:27:52 JST Yomiel

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     Gah, I hate the PS3 controller, flimsy little sticks, easily worn through rubber. That's one that nostalgia wont win me over with. I'm personally a DS4 enjoyer, which is also in the mainline kernel.
     
     I also have a Wacom but mines a Intuos 4. No idea when I bought it, though it also works a charm on Linux.
     
     Being on Linux really does make you realize how many niggles you have to put up with on windows. Ironically in many cases it seems Linux is the 'just works' operating system.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:28:46 JST SuperDicq

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     • Yomiel

     @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe And yes if you own any hardware that is older than 5 years the chances of it being "just works" on GNU/Linux is much higher than on Windows nowadays.

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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:29:46 JST Fish of Rage

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     @SuperDicq I had an intuos 2 that stopped working for a while but its working again
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:30:23 JST SuperDicq

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     • Fish of Rage

     @sun@shitposter.world Cool, that's even older than mine. What size do you have? I have the big boy A4 version of the Intuos 3.

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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:30:50 JST Fish of Rage

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     @SuperDicq 6x9 inch, middle size model between the 4x5 and 12x12
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:30:59 JST Fish of Rage

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     • Fish of Rage
     @SuperDicq I bought it in 2002
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:31:42 JST SuperDicq

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     • Fish of Rage

     @sun@shitposter.world I don't know what freedom units are but sounds good I guess?

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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:32:15 JST Fish of Rage

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     @SuperDicq its the middle one.
     
     I acquired a giant one, probably the A4 but no pens or cables.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:32:37 JST SuperDicq

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     • Yomiel

     @sally@freesoftwareextremist.com @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe Why? Maybe I should add that 2 of these are broken and I use them for parts.

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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:32:40 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     • Yomiel
     @SuperDicq @yomiel
     
     You're beyond retarded, sorry.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:33:05 JST SuperDicq

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     • Fish of Rage

     @sun@shitposter.world Can you not use the pen from the small on the big one?

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:33:38 JST SuperDicq

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     • Yomiel

     @sally@freesoftwareextremist.com @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe PS3 controllers are totally fine. They use the exact same shell as the PS1 and PS2 controller?

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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:33:40 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     • Yomiel
     @yomiel @SuperDicq
     
     PS3 controllers are the worst controllers ever made, a shame they ruined a decent console (when jailbroken) with that abysmal dogshit.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:33:41 JST Fish of Rage

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     @SuperDicq I believe the pens are compatible, I think only the intuos1 is different
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:35:30 JST SuperDicq

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     • Fish of Rage

     @sun@shitposter.world I bought my Intuos 3 at a flea market for 5 euro like 8 years ago. It didn't come with the pen so I had to buy a new old stock pen for 80 euros, which I wasn't expecting but still 85 euros total for the whole kit I don't consider a bad deal.

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     Yomiel (yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:35:43 JST Yomiel

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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:37:07 JST Fish of Rage

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     @SuperDicq I am never gonna use this big one but someone gave it to me for free.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:37:14 JST SuperDicq

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     • Fish of Rage

     @sun@shitposter.world The new old stock pen is pretty cool tho. It came with like 5 spare tips in the package, which will probably last me a lifetime. It also has an eraser on the back which actually gets recognized properly in Krita!

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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:38:10 JST Fish of Rage

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     @SuperDicq there's a couple other pens for it too, there is one with a really long tip with a long retract distance for inking, and there's one where the pressure is a wheel for airbrush
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     • Fish of Rage
     @SuperDicq @sun old wacom pens lasted much longer. newer nibs and tablet coating basically designed to fail (get on that nib vig.)
     
     xp-pen sells (or did) 99 packs of nibs though which was great.
     
     the real bros are ratta who put a self-annealing screen guard on the device and use a ceramic nib. there is no actual reason for nibs to wear out like they do, unless you just really want the textures. (titanium nib + 9h cover = feels like gliding on glass but durable af. i prefer the glass to paper scratch though.)
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:41:52 JST SuperDicq

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     • Yomiel

     @dagda@netzsphaere.xyz @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe I don't know. Considering the DS3 was the first one that had gyro controls it's probably safe to assume the later ones have improved on it.
     
     I don't play any games with a controller that require me to use the gyro tho.

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     EmoDagda (dagda@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:41:53 JST EmoDagda

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     @SuperDicq @yomiel isn't their gyro like really poor compared to DS4/5? I dunno if I would find them useful tbh. Also D-Pad is subpar to the definitive one in history (Wii U Pro Controller)
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:50:39 JST SuperDicq

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     • Yomiel

     @dagda@netzsphaere.xyz @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe I don't know. I don't play Luanti and if I did I would probably play it with a mouse and keyboard.

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     EmoDagda (dagda@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 06:50:40 JST EmoDagda

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     @SuperDicq @yomiel does Luanti support Controller/mixed inputs? I would love to dive in but I have reached a point in Gyro autism where I consider basic camera movement tiresome with a mouse
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 08-Feb-2025 05:11:23 JST SuperDicq

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     Update: Picked up a Samsung Odyssey today I saw listed on marktplaats, I paid only 40 euros in cash.
     
     Works perfectly with Monado on Debian GNU/Linux 12.
     
     I built Monado and OpenXR from source, as the binary packages for Debian are in true typical fashion hilariously outdated.
     
     Picture through the lens of the HMD is the xrgears demo program, based on the old famous glxgears demo.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 08-Feb-2025 05:15:12 JST SuperDicq

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     And before you ask I did clean the whole device with disinfectant before putting it on my face.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 08-Feb-2025 05:16:11 JST SuperDicq

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     Now let's see if I can get the included controllers working too.
     
     I'm actually unsure how they work yet. I think they use bluetooth, but do they connect straight to the HMD or do they require a PC bluetooth dongle?
     
     Either way I'm going to find out soon enough.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 08-Feb-2025 05:19:28 JST SuperDicq

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     • Nice Mitch Conner

     @mitchconner@nicecrew.digital Do you want a full explanation of every piece of software and what it does?
     
     Because if you are not actually interested in these technical details behind this all you really need to know is:
     
     Microsoft turned these devices into e-waste on Windows 11, but you can still use them using free software on GNU/Linux.

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     Nice Mitch Conner (mitchconner@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 08-Feb-2025 05:19:29 JST Nice Mitch Conner

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     It does what with what :osaka_wormhole:
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     Nice Mitch Conner (mitchconner@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 08-Feb-2025 05:30:57 JST Nice Mitch Conner

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     If you want to go into more detail I'll read it but don't feel obligated
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 08-Feb-2025 05:30:57 JST SuperDicq

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     • Nice Mitch Conner

     @mitchconner@nicecrew.digital Ok I'll break it down easily:
     
     OpenXR is one of the most common protocols for software to speak with virtual reality headsets.
     
     A virtual reality application will look for a OpenXR socket to communicate with. Information like the 3D space, user inputs, tracking, etc. are all sent over the OpenXR socket.
     
     Many companies that have VR hardware have software that creates this OpenXR socket for VR software to talk to. Well known examples of these are SteamVR or Windows Mixed Reality. You call this an OpenXR Runtime.
     
     If you want to run to run as much free software like I do, there's also this OpenXR Runtime that is free and runs on GNU/Linux it is Monado and that's what I'm using at the moment.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 08-Feb-2025 05:34:10 JST SuperDicq

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     • special-boy :verified:

     @special-boy@poa.st Yes, but I've heard that it's not on par with the Windows equivalent and that Monado works much better.

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     special-boy :verified: (special-boy@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 08-Feb-2025 05:34:11 JST special-boy :verified:

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     @SuperDicq Does steam vr work in Linux?
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     • special-boy :verified:

     @special-boy@poa.st Also SteamVR is nonfree software