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   lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 05:44:05 JST lainy
   xmpp jus doesn't go anywhere. it has the same issues it had 10 years ago.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 05:45:27 JST feld

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     @lain click the link in my profile and message me on Delta Chat. I'll show you some cool shit.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 05:45:54 JST lainy

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     @feld i used delta chat like 6 years ago, it was already nice back then, i gotta use it again
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 05:46:22 JST iced depresso

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     @lain all the desktop programmers died
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 05:46:30 JST feld

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     @lain it is SO much better now that there are Chatmail servers specifically configured for the purpose and allow instant anonymous account signups
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 05:47:46 JST feld

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     @lain like they implemented a custom auth plugin for Dovecot that will auto register an email account on first attempt to login if it doesn't already exist. Boom.
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     Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 05:48:05 JST Pissed Hippo

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     @feld @lain so you can do deltachat without having to set up a shitty postfix server?
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 05:49:42 JST feld

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     @sun @lain technically you can use any email address from any provider and it will work. But if you want faster chats and push notifications you need a Chatmail server so it can send the push notification on events to Apple/Google (the pushes have zero identifying information about anything, mostly just a ping to wake up app)
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     Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 05:49:54 JST Pissed Hippo

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     @pwm @feld @lain I have access I just wonder how easy it is to maintain
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     pwm (pwm@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 05:49:55 JST pwm

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     @sun @feld @lain I run my deltachat off my regular email server actually but I know someone with a chatmail server if you want to try it out
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 05:50:00 JST feld

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     @pwm @lain @sun chat.feld.me is mine
     
     others:
     
     bcc.chat
     tarpit.fun
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     Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 05:52:12 JST Pissed Hippo

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     @pwm @feld @lain as long as its not a pain in the ass to deploy or configure
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     pwm (pwm@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 05:52:13 JST pwm

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     @sun @feld @lain the chatmail deployment is postfix under the hood though, I think.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 05:53:35 JST feld

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     @sun @pwm @lain the entire config and deployment can be done with the upstream "cmdeploy" tool which is a custom python thingy that I do not like at all as it isn't flexible enough for some deployments (like behind a NAT, assumes wrong IP, harder to get a cert)
     
     I rewrote their deployment in Chef and I hope to see a tool that will whip up a fat docker container soon with everything configured inside properly. It's also easier to reverse engineer. Very clean now.
     
     https://github.com/feld/chatmail-cookbook
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 05:54:27 JST feld

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     @i @pwm @lain @sun yeah but there's nothing wrong with running a private DeltaChat server that doesn't federate. I did it for months. Was fantastic.
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     :blank: (i@declin.eu)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 05:54:29 JST :blank:

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     @sun @feld @pwm @lain it's a python script that ssh's into a server to deploy itself, which definitely sounds horrible and only to be left to a container
     
     >your server still needs to be able to make outgoing connections on port 25 to send messages outside
     is a real bummer though
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 06:02:39 JST feld

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     @sun @lain @pwm as for maintenance: I have Debian set to auto patch and that's it. I shouldn't need to touch anything ever. Unless somehow I run out of disk space from users swarming my server and their messages getting piled up before the auto-purge-old-messages kicks in (mine's configured for 7 days)
     
     Normal Delta Chat: no messages stored on server at all (except while waiting for client to download them).
     
     after enabling Multi-device Delta Chat for your account: the clients don't delete messages off server automatically after downloading, but let the server purge them on its own schedule as IMAP doesn't have a way to tell which client did what // track their access to emails.
     
     Messages on the server are always encrypted anyway and can't be read by anyone
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 06:11:42 JST feld

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     @lain @pwm @sun although I guess if Delta Chat devs release some new Chatmail feature that needs additional software I'll have to apply those changes to my server to use it. I don't really see anything groundbreaking happening there.
     
     They did an incredible job on their Bots support too. There's an entire framework in Python and a newer one in Rust designed for creating bots. I haven't looked at the Rust one yet but the Python one comes with shell/cli commands already implemented which you can just augment as needed. I thought it would be a pain but you just give it a random email address and password, turn it on, and it works. Because first login attempt registers the account.
     
     I wouldn't want to deal with writing a bot in Elixir as I don't have an appetite for dealing with IMAP/SMTP myself. But you could write it in anything if you really wanted to. No point when they've done so much work for you already though.
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 15:47:09 JST GNU Too

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     its' all Google's fault
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 15:49:47 JST GNU Too

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     a reason to fear if Google ever starts an ActivityPub based platform.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 16:56:34 JST 翠星石

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     @lain Idk, pidgin works fine.
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     Abhiseck Paira :gnu: :gnuhurd: (redstarfish@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 17:08:59 JST Abhiseck Paira :gnu: :gnuhurd:

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     @Suiseiseki
     Does pidgin support OMEMO encryption?

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 17:27:28 JST 翠星石

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     @redstarfish @lain Yes, via the lurch plugin.
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     Robert James (fulner@social.mojo.fyi)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 01:58:08 JST Robert James

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     @lain one of the "benefits" of being a paid fsf member is use of their XMPP/Jabber server. I don't think it's been updated in 20 years. Doesn't even support encryption.