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   Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 03:41:47 JST Eugen Rochko

   • かき@GNUsocialJP

   The moderation policy changes at Meta are deeply troubling and should be a concern to anyone with a conscience. While the fediverse is a decentralized platform where different service providers have different moderation policies, at mastodon.social, hate speech is prohibited, and we will take action on any Threads account found violating our policies. I would strongly urge anyone with a Threads account to reconsider their alignment with the new direction at Meta and move to Mastodon instead.

   • Glyn Moody, Rich Felker, Infoseepage and Joachim repeated this.
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     Grant 🇺🇦ArmUkraine🇺🇦 (grant_m@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 03:45:53 JST Grant 🇺🇦ArmUkraine🇺🇦

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     @Gargron I already blocked the threads instance.

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 03:47:30 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP
     • Phoenix Paulina Schmid

     @gelbphoenix Absolutely.

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     Phoenix Paulina Schmid (gelbphoenix@social.gelbphoenix.de)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 03:47:32 JST Phoenix Paulina Schmid

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     @Gargron Can this be shared on Threads? (As a screenshot or even linked)

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 03:53:11 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP
     • David August

     @davidaugust Yes. Sadly the interoperability on Threads' side is still lacking in this aspect, and they cannot move accounts between servers like Mastodon users can. However, at least those who migrate can re-follow their Threads contacts manually to help them make the transition to Mastodon. Maintaining interoperability from our side is important to enable this.

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     David August (davidaugust@mastodon.online)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 03:53:12 JST David August

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     @Gargron would be so great if Threads would allow people to shift to a Mastodon instance and migrate their follows and followers as they do.

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     KellyAnn Romanych (she/her) (kellyromanych@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 04:04:35 JST KellyAnn Romanych (she/her)

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     @Gargron I hope Social Web Foundation reconsiders Meta as a partner

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     DJGummikuh (djgummikuh@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 04:09:43 JST DJGummikuh

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     @Gargron so that means that for the moment you continue federating threads at the instance level? Is this subject to ongoing scrutiny in regards to metas behavior?

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     Nickliberos (nicliberos@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 04:14:50 JST Nickliberos

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     • Mastodon

     @Gargron exactly the reasoning behind my move to @Mastodon

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     a fish named dog 🎗️ (fishnameddog@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 04:15:48 JST a fish named dog 🎗️

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     @Gargron (except for NaziNProud1488 of course, they are welcome to stay on Threads)

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     Chris (chrisparana@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 04:25:34 JST Chris

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     @Gargron I find negativity generally annoying and counterproductive, which is why I love platforms or apps that allow *me* to decide what to filter out. (I have numerous filters set up in Ivory because while I appreciate someone’s creativity and many things they share, I absolutely do not want to hear their political opinions, regardless of their “side.”) So while I understand your perspective here, I also wonder who determines what constitutes speech that is not allowed in any given category.

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     RJ Nowling (discretestates@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 04:44:18 JST RJ Nowling

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     @Gargron I do like the community notes feature on Twitter. I’m not suggesting that it replace moderation, but it is a useful addition.

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     Anna Cressy (goanna@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 04:52:07 JST Anna Cressy

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     @Gargron That's why I'm here. As parent of a trans young person I'm genuinely scared about the consequences of faceplants changes. They were bad enough already.

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     Veedems (veedems@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 04:58:40 JST Veedems

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     @Gargron I appreciate the approach, though. There’s still accounts (especially government ones) that I follow that I would hate to lose but I’m glad the team on mastodon.social is going to be moderating actively.

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     mark (atleagle@mastodon.online)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 05:00:47 JST mark

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     @Gargron applied to the real world, this means users with accounts on mastodon.social are not allowed to use hate speech. Users on threads are, explicitly. Their admin has said there are almost no rules at all. This entire instance is now at risk of the bullying and harassment that drove me away from fb and Twitter years ago, and you're explicitly allowing it, possibly even approving it

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     Paul Sutton (zleap@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 05:15:25 JST Paul Sutton

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     • David August

     @Gargron @davidaugust

     That is a good point, which makes any decision to defederate from Threads more difficult I guess, we need to help not hinder transition to fedi.

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     L the Girl in Black (girlinblack@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 05:18:57 JST L the Girl in Black

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     @Gargron Please consider defederating Threads from the instances you manage. They are now, by policy, tolerating harassment of minorities. If you would defederate a mastodon instance that allowed hate speech, you should also defederate Threads.

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     Science Updates (scienceupdates@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 05:19:28 JST Science Updates

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     @Gargron if hate speech is so prohibited on fedi, i should be able to report it when i click on 'report this post'
     rather than having to find another way to specify that it is a violation.

     please, make this place safer before patting yourselves on the back for being the better platform

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     Ryan Scullen (rscullen@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 05:33:17 JST Ryan Scullen

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     @Gargron please just block threads.net. a message needs to be sent these Meta policies aren’t acceptable.

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     Fubaroque (fubaroque@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 05:48:31 JST Fubaroque

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     @Gargron Sounds like you will be doing their moderation. I’m not sure that is a good idea. 🥴

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     Linzay (linzay@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 05:58:43 JST Linzay

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     @Gargron I’ve already been kicked off of Facebook and some other ones so I’ve given up on the idea of free speech because it’s only free speech if you’re spouting the party line

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     Ride Theory (ridetheory@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 06:06:38 JST Ride Theory

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     @Gargron How much harassment from Threads users will be tolerated before the instance is blocked? Do you have a cutoff?

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     Aurora 🐌 (coriopsicologia@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 06:20:02 JST Aurora 🐌

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     @Gargron Sorry, I don't understand. So .social is blocking Threads?

     That will be great!

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     stavpup (stavpup@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 06:29:29 JST stavpup

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     @Gargron Is Threads and Bluesky bridged with Mastodon?

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 06:29:59 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP
     • Fubaroque

     @fubaroque At present we receive very few reports about Threads accounts. 68 in total since its launch. For comparison, we handle about 4.4K reports every month.

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     Fubaroque (fubaroque@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 06:41:34 JST Fubaroque

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     @Gargron Indeed, but something is going to change at Threads as you very well know. 🤣 #wellseehowthisdevelops

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     Em-squared (emsquared@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 07:03:23 JST Em-squared

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     @Gargron I'm was all for open social media but do feel that the Threads federation experiment is now clearly over.

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     Apan (apan@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 07:03:41 JST Apan

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     @Gargron It's great. The world needs more freedom and diversity of opinions and less of echo chambers, gatekeeping and censorship.

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     Nemo_bis 🌈 (nemobis@mamot.fr)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 07:12:55 JST Nemo_bis 🌈

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     Check out Gargron's post, it's not too late to migrate to Mastodon!
     https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/113794200140617347

     cc @mkbhd@threads.net
     @hubermanlab@threads.net
     @jamesgunn@threads.net
     @realadamrose@threads.net
     @paulocoelhodice@threads.net
     @nextleveldj1@threads.net
     @drexlee@threads.net
     @hankgreen@threads.net
     @mcuban@threads.net
     @bobby@threads.net
     @chrisgqperry@threads.net
     @nhuandaocalligraphy@threads.net
     @johngreenwritesbooks@threads.net
     @tombilyeu@threads.net

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     naught101 (naught101@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 08:31:52 JST naught101

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     @Gargron if a mastodon server announced those policies, wouldn't you just defederare from them?

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     Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷 (larsmb@mastodon.online)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 11:00:56 JST Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷

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     @Gargron Eugen, the OWNER OF THREADS and the entire platform guidelines violate "our policies". It's not about a single account.

     Do they still meet the federation requirements? .online and .social already don't federate with many instances that explicitly allow and/or even target certain audiences and content.

     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this.
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     Miranda Whiting (mirandawhiting@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 11:26:06 JST Miranda Whiting

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     @Gargron I blocked Threads as soon as it arrived. Meta has always been pretty toxic.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 13:18:32 JST Rich Felker

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     • tsk
     • Erik Uden 🍑
     • :projetstodon: Shalien

     @shalien @tasket @ErikUden @Gargron Facebook had better ux on day one than it's had in over 15 years. React tanked it to the point of being unusable.

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     :projetstodon: Shalien (shalien@mastodon.projetretro.io)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 13:18:34 JST :projetstodon: Shalien

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     • tsk
     • Erik Uden 🍑

     @tasket @ErikUden @Gargron Because Facebook, Twitter etc had excellent UI/UX from day one ?

     Regarding the fav / repost and the lack of seeing outside your local timeline ... Yeah that's the design of ActivityPub.
     It's designed to work differently than a twitter timeline , and in fact, it's designed to work in an infinite way by using simple concept on which you can slap your favorite way to display data . I don't say everyone will stay, but at least let them try to learn it .

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     tsk (tasket@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 13:18:35 JST tsk

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     • Erik Uden 🍑
     • :projetstodon: Shalien

     @shalien @ErikUden @Gargron Fedi is still too rough around the edges.

     For one, people start to gain traction and then it flops because why? Ans: Popular posts become super annoying, recurring in TL dozens or hundreds of times per day..... so people react by muting those users and conversations.

     Little if any chance you'll see replies (to other users' threads) from people you follow show up in your TL. Great candidate for a simple "algorithm"; as it stands its just poor engagement.

     Picture-only posts where most people can't view the thread, because the only place to click on such posts is a 1px tall line about 3px under the poster's avatar.

     Its very sad. Years back I donated money to Mastodon, but there are still UX holes you can drive a truck through and nothing is done about it. UX isn't taken seriously here, so its mainly techies that stick around.

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     :projetstodon: Shalien (shalien@mastodon.projetretro.io)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 13:18:36 JST :projetstodon: Shalien

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     • Erik Uden 🍑

     @ErikUden @Gargron (GOnna be picky here but replacing mastodon with fediverse could be more welcoming and allow people to replace facebook with plenora and so on)

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     Erik Uden 🍑 (erikuden@mastodon.de)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 13:18:38 JST Erik Uden 🍑

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     @Gargron A move to Mastodon is the only way 👏 :blobcatmeltlove:

     AnthonyJK-Admin repeated this.
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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 13:56:19 JST Rich Felker

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     • Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷

     @larsmb @Gargron Hopefully the overall tone of Threads will be clear enough that defederation becomes inevitable.

     They still don't support migration, do they?

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     Linux Is Awesome (linux_is_awesome@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 14:10:07 JST Linux Is Awesome

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     @Gargron Or CherryPick or Misskey.

     I like Mastodon, but there are other platforms with more options.

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     Vets Gaming™ (vetgaming@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 14:15:42 JST Vets Gaming™

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     @Gargron Already moved over to Mastodon, along with Bluesky. These are my primaries, and I still use X, but I'm not in support of Meta apps, and anyone buying into Zuckerburg's "free-speech" community note rhetoric, clearly doesn't understand the end game.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 14:53:29 JST Rich Felker

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     @Gargron It would help a lot, if you're not willing to defederate right away, if you could go ahead and preemptively block the top 100-500 accounts responsible for directing hate. Everybody knows who they are and what they'll be doing with this new policy, and there's no need to expose the fedi to them.

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     Djssjcjeert6 (djssjcjeert6@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 15:14:29 JST Djssjcjeert6

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     @Gargron
     Why would somebody want more censorship?

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     Dave ⚡️ (dave@social.lightbeamapps.com)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 18:10:55 JST Dave ⚡️

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     @Gargron now would be the perfect time for Mastodon to prioritise features that marginalised communities have been asking for, around better privacy controls, retooting, etc.

     I would love to see loud, affirmative commitment and action on these things from the Mastodon team

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     RRB (rrb@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 18:12:57 JST RRB

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     @Gargron the clue is "anyone with a conscience." That leaves out the tech industry, Republicans, and evangelicals

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     tsk (tasket@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 18:12:57 JST tsk

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     • RRB

     @rrb @Gargron Any instance with a conscience would defederate #Threads

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 18:12:57 JST Rich Felker

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     • tsk
     • RRB

     @tasket @rrb @Gargron The question is just whether they do it now on the basis of the pro-hate policy (with tutorial in the policy announcement no less!) or wait until the effects of that policy start to be seen.

     At this point the former seems like a much better idea.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 18:15:10 JST Rich Felker

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     • tsk
     • RRB

     @tasket @rrb @Gargron It was largely defensible to federate with Threads when the problem was just that it was corporate and undermoderated - provided you could do your own moderation of them.

     It's not defensible to federate with naziverse instances - that is, instances which explicitly allow and encourage hate speech. With the new policy announcement, including a how-to tutorial on transphobic hate, Threads has clearly become the latter.

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     Je ne suis pas goth (jenesuispasgoth@pouet.chapril.org)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 18:15:14 JST Je ne suis pas goth

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     @Gargron serious (and sincere!) question: do you have the actual manpower/means to deal with potentially thousands of reports in the coming weeks?

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     RRB (rrb@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 19:12:43 JST RRB

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     • Rich Felker
     • tsk

     @dalias @tasket @Gargron With Zuckerberg, it became obvious to me that he is a prostitute when they found an advertising target group labeled "jew haters." He builds a business on selling access to people that want to kill him and his family.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 19:12:43 JST Rich Felker

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     • tsk
     • RRB

     @rrb @tasket @Gargron Maybe we could state that in a way that's not defamatory to sex workers by comparing them to Zuck.

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     Mark Hughes (markhughes@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 19:56:53 JST Mark Hughes

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     @Gargron How anyone can say this, watch #Meta behave in the poisonous way it always has, and not advocate blocking #Threads altogether mystifies me.

     I mean, if Twitter were federated would that also be ok?

     How vile do these corporations have to be before we stand up and say that's enough?

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     Offbeatmammal (offbeatmammal@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 21:46:52 JST Offbeatmammal

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     @Gargron I worry that the effort of moderating the rising tide of crap from Threads will become detrimental to this server. Do you have a plan that will result in threads being defederated? What is the threshold, and why is the stated direction from Meta enough to trigger severance?

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     Liam (liammcbride@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 01:52:02 JST Liam

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     @Gargron I have a threads account but Its largely been abandoned for the last few months as I take a deep look at what those platforms deliver for their end users. Threads always had a way more corporate feel to it and towards the end of my usage of the platform, began to be filled with more AI Slop as meta desperately looked to keep the platform alive. This aligns with their current plans of AI personas on their platforms which I cannot support.

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     Cairo Braga [toot] (cairobraga@toot.cairobraga.com)'s status on Saturday, 11-Jan-2025 00:21:19 JST Cairo Braga [toot]

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     • Erik Uden 🍑

     @ErikUden @Gargron to the Fediverse, which is so much more (and much better) than just Mastodon.

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     eugeekhelsinki (eugeekhelsinki@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 11-Jan-2025 05:23:37 JST eugeekhelsinki

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     Check out Gargron's post, it's not too late to migrate to Mastodon!
     https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/113794200140617347

     cc @mkbhd
     @hubermanlab
     @jamesgunn
     @realadamrose
     @paulocoelhodice
     @nextleveldj1
     @drexlee
     @hankgreen
     @mcuban
     @bobby
     @chrisgqperry
     @nhuandaocalligraphy
     @johngreenwritesbooks
     @tombilyeu

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     Craig Harden (craigery79@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 11-Jan-2025 11:27:59 JST Craig Harden

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     @Gargron Deleting Threads now.

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     Keith 🏳️‍🌈 (nerdykeith@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2025 04:58:13 JST Keith 🏳️‍🌈

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     @Gargron Goon on ya. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Zuch's new changes are totally deeply troubling.

     I exclusively now only use Mastodon and Bluesky because of your sensible and progressive policies on hate speech