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   Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged) (taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 15:38:57 JST Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged)

   • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
   @jeffcliff BTW genuine question: Are you serious about the "pandemic is still ongoing" thing or is it to troll anti vaxxers and stuff?
   
   Actually I just found this which is seems like a surprisingly high number of deaths for 2.5 months. But I've no frame of reference.
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     @taylan ...and that's with the CDC's incomplete data. This should be seen as a lower bound but yeah I quit my job in '22 when my country's public health system decided to "let er rip" and have been mostly socially isolated ever since. The covid situation is ...not as bad right now where I am but with all the NYE Partying it'll surge back up again
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     @jeffcliff It seems like about 40k people die by car accident in the US every year, which is about 8.3k per 2.5 months.
     
     So, COVID still kills somewhat more people than car accidents. Perhaps up to 2x as many.
     
     On the other hand, it's mostly people above 80 it seems. (Based on German data: Under 60 is very low, 60-80 is around 1/3 of deaths, and above 80 around 2/3. Source: https://infektionsradar.gesund.bund.de/de/covid/todesfaelle )
     
     To me it doesn't seem that scary tbh. For someone of my age (~30), driving a car seems much more dangerous.
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     Feart n Tired ??????? (feartntired@spinster.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 16:41:17 JST Feart n Tired ???????

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     @taylan @jeffcliff I am very tired (understatement) of govts and everyone else considering covid as a death/recovery disease. You should be far more worried about the consequences of repeated infections , personally and societally. It's creating a lot more disabled people, new onset chronic disease, and it disrupts immune system making people more vulnerable to everything else, of all ages. And it has damaged public health and common sense, washing your hands to avoid an airborne disease, removing even the previous levels of masking and isolation in cancer clinics etc. You also might want to consider the effect a vascular disease, which is what sars cov2 is, has on the brain. And why research into better testing stopped, why research into figuring out why some people and not others isn't an urgent priority.
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     Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged) (taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 18:37:33 JST Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged)

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     • bonifartius
     @bonifartius @jeffcliff Nah, sane people just agree to disagree and move on sometimes. :blobcat-joy:
     
     Wait, I just implied that I'm sane. Huh.
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     bonifartius (bonifartius@noauthority.social)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 18:37:34 JST bonifartius

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     @taylan @jeffcliff boy this thread has potential to be entertaining ;)

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     @taylan it's not just death though, it gives comorbidities for later health challenges. If it was just death to be worried about, then, maybe but it also causes diabetes, lung damage, brain damage(which has impacted the driver safety numbers making them worse with time), etc
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jan-2025 03:32:04 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     • gentoobro
     @gentoobro @taylan
     
     Covid ages your immune system & generally shortens your life. It makes senescence come sooner, including stuff like early onset dementia in children
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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jan-2025 03:32:05 JST gentoobro

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     Any deaths from flus above 70 is just a proximal cause. The real cause is old age. Saying that old people died of a flu is like saying that aids patients died of a sinus infection.

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     @FeartnTired @taylan ^^ she gets it
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     • Feart n Tired ???????
     @FeartnTired @taylan
     
     and let's be realistic: it's women who are impacted most
     
     so it's
     
     >, why research into figuring out why some women and not others isn't an urgent priority.
     
     and we know the answer to that
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 06-Jan-2025 23:08:00 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     @_oyveyanuddahshoah @taylan dude that's *comedy*
     
     you are basing your worldview on *comedy*
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     _oyveyanuddahshoah (_oyveyanuddahshoah@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Jan-2025 23:08:01 JST _oyveyanuddahshoah

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     @taylan @jeffcliff never stop!
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     Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged) (taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org)'s status on Monday, 06-Jan-2025 23:09:47 JST Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged)

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     • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
     @jeffcliff FYI, I can't see Poasties as I have the domain blocked along with Nicecrew and DetroitRiotCity.
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     Light (light@noc.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 04:33:26 JST Light

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     @taylan @jeffcliff Why does it cease to matter when they are elderly though? Seems a bit self-centered to me.

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     • Light
     @light @taylan depends what matters to you
     
     if you measure what matters in QALYs the numbers will tilt towards saving the young
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     Light (light@noc.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 06:01:18 JST Light

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     @jeffcliff @taylan Only if you're being utilitarian about it. A deontologist might say that death by disease should be prevented regardless of age, whereas death by old age is unavoidable.

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     • Light
     @light @taylan
     
     > deontological vs utilitarian terminal values
     
     Right this might be a point of disagreement between @taylan you and I, but which of those are you?
     
     > whereas death by old age is unavoidable.
     
     I generally reject that - 'old age' is an amalgamation of other causes that can be determined and understood. Death is unavoidable. Entropy is unavoidable. Aging is just an avoidable, difficult to change default.
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     Light (light@noc.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 07:02:11 JST Light

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     @jeffcliff @taylan
     >which of those are you?
     I haven't thought it through enough.

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     @light @taylan good answer