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d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 11:28:07 JST d
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Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 11:30:54 JST Pissed Hippo
@deprecated_ii It's a combination. I have been in a place where we absolutely needed a specific person and had to jump through ridiculous hoops to prove that we couldn't hire some random American. And I have worked at a place where they were using H1B to hire Chinese to do Apache Struts, which even the least-educated Indian body shop can do in their sleep.
It's also absolutely true that American universities churn out tons of students that can't do anything and probably can't learn. And that in many other places, people actually care about making their kids competitive, unlike the USA. -
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受不了包 (shibao@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 11:39:05 JST 受不了包
@sun@shitposter.world @deprecated_ii@poa.st there are a lot of smart tech people that can absolutely do the work, they just don't want to pay american wages for something that will work better in the end
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Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 20:35:32 JST Pissed Hippo
@deprecated_ii this sounds great but Sometimes you know a guy and you want to hire that guy because you know he can do it and you don’t want to do a nationwide manhunt just to hire somebody that you don’t actually know anything about.
The original reason I posted what I posted though is simply that a ton of people on here just think Indians are all dumb. It’s a loser position. Vivek Salamiswami may have been speaking out of ethnic chauvinism but there’s a grain of truth in what he’s saying and america needs to stop glorifying stupidity, fast. -
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d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 20:35:33 JST d
@sun if a company wants to benefit from being built on american soil, getting american protections, using american infrastructure and having easy access to the american economy, it can hire americans first *and only*. the *real* need for the one guy on the planet who can do [thing] can be handled as the exceptionally rare case that it is
if a company wants the "competitive kids" from other countries, they can damn well pull up stakes and move to those countries instead
if companies do not find degrees sufficient proof of ability, they can put in the effort to figure out who does have ability. I have absolutely zero sympathy for organizations who brag about spending 7-10 seconds looking at each candidate's resume only to turn around and bitch about how bad the workforce is. they have no idea what the workforce has to offer because they treat it like a college girl flipping through tinderkuteboiCoder repeated this. -
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👺防空識別區👹 (sojourn maxxing) (adiz@wl0.9ch.nl)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 20:43:43 JST 👺防空識別區👹 (sojourn maxxing)
@deprecated_ii Companies want cheap quasi-slave labor of workers dependent on continued visa sponsorships who have no fidelity to the host country or citizenry. @sun
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Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 20:46:03 JST Pissed Hippo
@adiz @deprecated_ii there is also the company with Indian executives that just want to hire other Indians out of obvious ingroup preference. It’s just sort of funny that they only got let into the country at all because of Americans refusing to have an ingroup preference and in the process just replacing themselves -
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kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 20:54:49 JST kuteboiCoder
@sun@shitposter.world @deprecated_ii@poa.st
The Vivek tweet wasn't saying "let's make better family sitcoms for America's kids", he was saying "need more jeets"
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d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 21:39:51 JST d
@sun Policy cannot be based on outliers. Just because there's 1 woman in 10000 that can hang in an infantry unit, it doesn't mean we should let women into infantry units. It's much better to simply accept losing that one unicorn to have a simpler, clearer policy overall. It's not fair? Life's not fair.
I don't believe there's a problem with talent in america as a result of "glorifying stupidity". We produce plenty of kids who do great in math and science, who then go on to get relevant STEM degrees. And then most of them are never able to find work in their field. The excuse then becomes oh well gee I guess they just suck, except I don't see that there's any relationship between ability in the field and ability to find *work* in that field. The C student has the right connections and cruises into a cushy engineering job, while the A student ends up working some shitty office job that could be done by anyone with an 8th grade education. Graduation year is 10x more influential on your success than how hard you work in school or what major you choose.
America is not utilizing the resources it has. It prefers to pretend those resources don't exist, while preying on the young people who do want to work hard by encouraging them to take on huge amounts of debt, lying to them from birth about opportunities that do not actually exist for them. This cannot continue.kuteboiCoder likes this. -
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kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 21:40:03 JST kuteboiCoder
@deprecated_ii@poa.st @sun@shitposter.world
well, it actually can continue... -
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d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 21:51:56 JST d
@KuteboiCoder @sun No, it can't. We're reaching the end of the grift. America is not a magical treasure box that can be plundered forever. Younger people are increasingly dropping out, correctly seeing that they have no prospects. The military can't get enough recruits. College enrollment among men is in steep decline. Infrastructure that was pushed decades beyond its design life is failing and the foreign replacements can't fix it. Increasingly, America is a country where nothing gets done. kuteboiCoder likes this. -
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kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 21:53:41 JST kuteboiCoder
@deprecated_ii@poa.st @sun@shitposter.world
All true, but they still have a limitless possible recruiting pool of foreign slave laborers and mercenaries. Also muh deathbot, muh drones.
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Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 28-Dec-2024 06:03:41 JST Pissed Hippo
@deprecated_ii yes the rule exists precisely because some shitbag in the USA will hire Indians every single time instead of Americans but this policy turns out to have a cost so expect pushback. As far as the rest, I mean just look around. There absolutely is entitlement and anti intellectualism. I’m not even arguing against protectionism for American kids I’m just pointing out the simple fact that your protected businesses will lose competitively. -
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Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 28-Dec-2024 06:18:20 JST Pissed Hippo
@deprecated_ii America is propped up by a minority class of white achievers that is shrinking. -
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mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 28-Dec-2024 06:23:21 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:
@sun @deprecated_ii It's hard to see it grow when the same minority of people are the ones that are stopping other businesses from existing. -
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Account: Politics (union@mu.zaitcev.nu)'s status on Saturday, 28-Dec-2024 13:43:28 JST Account: Politics
@deprecated_ii @sun @KuteboiCoder Maybe there's no million scale surplus, but I suspect there are still examples that you want to hire from abroad and the retards hating on Elon right now are going to throw that baby out with the bathwater. kuteboiCoder likes this. -
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d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 28-Dec-2024 13:43:29 JST d
@KuteboiCoder @sun Guatemalan day laborers can't build a steel truss bridge. Indian engineers with fake degrees can't design one. The kind of mercenary willing to fight the kind of war America wants is an incompetent retard who will die right away. The smart mercenaries won't touch it with a 1000 mile pole. They have eyes and can see what's happening in Ukraine.
You can't simply buy replacements for rare human capital. There is no surplus of such people lying around the third world for anyone with a checkbook to pick up at a discount.kuteboiCoder repeated this. -
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kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 28-Dec-2024 13:45:04 JST kuteboiCoder
@union@mu.zaitcev.nu @deprecated_ii@poa.st @sun@shitposter.world
bro.
Renting an office suite in Mumbai costs $1100 a month. Git Lab exists. Zoom exists. All those genius computer science Ph.D.s can work from where they are. -
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kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 28-Dec-2024 13:47:55 JST kuteboiCoder
@union@mu.zaitcev.nu @deprecated_ii@poa.st @sun@shitposter.world
They're framing it as "we need geniuses from everywhere to live here, because America, fuck yeah!" when their actual behavioral track record has been to suppress wages in expert fields, mid tier, and low tier positions. In America and everywhere else. -
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kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 28-Dec-2024 13:51:20 JST kuteboiCoder
@union@mu.zaitcev.nu @sun@shitposter.world @deprecated_ii@poa.st
what if who wants to? The foreign applicants or Elon?
The foreign applicants are not out of reach to #Elon; he's literally the richest dude in the world and his companies have satellite offices all over the world.
So that means the sacrifices that #MAGA is asked to make - muh culture, muh housing market, muh beautiful white women's virtue - are ultimately for no net benefit whatsoever, where #STEM #progress is concerned. -
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Account: Politics (union@mu.zaitcev.nu)'s status on Saturday, 28-Dec-2024 13:51:21 JST Account: Politics
@KuteboiCoder @sun @deprecated_ii
What if they don't want to? Bro. -
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djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 14:17:45 JST djsumdog
There's a lot of infrastructure that can't be fixed/replaced that needs to be. Old dams are a big one; things that expanded too fast under the New Deal that weren't viable and are now a liability.
But it's silly to think America isn't still doing infrastructure. There was a massive interstate redesign 5 minus from me that's coming along really well; 2~3 year long project. New housing is everywhere. It's made with a lot of pex pipe instead of copper, but it's still up to code and not falling apart like the tofu cities of China.
There are large infrastructure projects everywhere, and there are a lot of Americans out there in the heat, building concrete curb edges, laying asphalt and driving dump trucks.
There are some infrastructure maintenance burdens coming due. I'm surprised the Brent Spence Bridge in Cincinnati hasn't collapsed yet, but it looks like it's finally getting its replacement started next year. -
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djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 15:57:34 JST djsumdog
Yea I've avoided the main topic because it's all *reeeeee* I HATE PAJEETS .. I swear everyone sounds fucking retarded.
India has infrastructure. Not great, but it's gotten better. They also have a really corrupt corporate system. They're also not anywhere as authoritarian as China. Parts of China have amazing infrastructure. A lot of the designs for it are bought or stolen from other countries. Some of it is falling apart .. horrifically .. killing many when a train station transformer blows. Like the early coal/oil fields in early America. India could have amazing infrastructure if it with authoritarian. So could America if they government started demolishing homes. That's why Russia has high speed rail.
Irish, Germans, Russians, Italians and all sorts of people flocked to the US at one time. This is a brain drain problem around the entire world. No one wants to stay in their homes and make things better.
Honestly, after reading all the bullshit everyone is saying, I wish god would drop a nuke on the failed experiment that is humanity.kuteboiCoder likes this. -
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Quentel (quentel@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 15:57:35 JST Quentel
Infrastructure was not the primary topic, but it's an interesting derivative.
It's only a matter of time before the people that know how to build and maintain modern infrastructure in the west decides to check-out completely. There will be no need or desire to maintain and preserve infrastructure to support a society of foreign people. White people are going to 'nope' out and start dialing-back.
If Indians were able to manage to build and maintain infrastructure, they wouldn't flock to the US. There appears to be cultural barriers that prevent them from creating a society that their people want to stay within.
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kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 15:59:58 JST kuteboiCoder
@djsumdog@djsumdog.com I wish god would drop a nuke on humanityI wish #Indians would drop the poo in the loo.