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   feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 01:26:18 JST feld
   > XMPP: the forgotten gem of Instant Messaging
   
   For the five thousandth time, NO, it is not. It sucks. The XEPs suck. The clients almost all universally suck except like *one* client on Android. The server hosting story is an overcomplicated mess.
   
   GRETCHEN, STOP TRYING TO MAKE XMPP HAPPEN
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     Raphael Lullis (raphael@mastodon.communick.com)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 01:55:30 JST Raphael Lullis

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     @feld

     Agree on all but the "server hosting story". Ejabberd is relatively painless to deploy.

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 01:58:11 JST feld

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     • Raphael Lullis
     @raphael sure, but do you want file attachments to work? Now you need a webserver setup too.
     
     I'd say MongooseIM is better experience than ejabberd, though.
     
     Oh what's that, you want push notifications for apps? Not happening.* So everyone gets a terrible UX.
     
     
     * this is solvable though. You can do like DeltaChat and have the self-hosted servers push their notifications to a server owned by the team who made the app and they can forward them through APNS/FCM. But nobody in the XMPP world is doing this.
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 02:00:33 JST 

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     @feld >The server hosting story is an overcomplicated mess.
     At the very least it doesn't bloat its database into oblivion, unlike Synapse.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 02:01:56 JST feld

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     @mint this is true, the resource requirements are not unreasonable. It's just... *waves arms* ... everything else about it.
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     Parker Banks (parker@cawfee.club)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 02:05:42 JST Parker Banks

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     @feld I'm here to aggressively defend XMPP and call you all sorts of slurs in the process. (I've never used XMPP btw, I do use Microsoft Teams however).
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 02:06:24 JST feld

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     • Parker Banks
     @parker if you've ever touched WhatsApp or iMessage or just any Apple device (all apple push notifications are XMPP) you've definitely used XMPP (unknowingly) :)
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 02:06:53 JST feld

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     • anime graf mays ?️?
     • Parker Banks
     @graf @parker just use the MongooseIM version. It's just ejabberd in a nicer coat anyway
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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 02:06:54 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     • Parker Banks
     @parker @feld I want to deploy XMPP for poast users, but the plug and documentation for utilizing pleroma for oauth does not compute with ejabberd anymore
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 07:30:18 JST iced depresso

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     @feld
     > overcomplicated mess
     copy paste file start prosodyd
     
     skill issue
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 07:59:04 JST iced depresso

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     • Johnny Peligro, now on Mitra!
     @mischievoustomato @feld the only people who say good things about matrix use element exclusively and don't run a homeserver lmao
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     Johnny Peligro, now on Mitra! (mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 07:59:05 JST Johnny Peligro, now on Mitra!

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     • iced depresso

     @icedquinn @feld yeah that's why it's more popular than matr... oh

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 22:59:05 JST feld

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     • Gabe
     • Vad fan?
     @vikingkong @gabriel
     
     DELTA CHAT
     
     Try it guys it's great
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     Vad fan? (vikingkong@misskey.vikingkong.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 22:59:08 JST Vad fan?

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     • Gabe

     @gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks @feld@friedcheese.us
     Because they never have been needed, email is absolutely enough. Another story that committees behind the email deliberately do their best to make it almost useless.

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     Gabe (gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 22:59:10 JST Gabe

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     @feld@friedcheese.us
     There are no good messengers :wojak_depressed:

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 01:11:00 JST feld

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     • shuro
     • Gabe
     • Vad fan?
     @vikingkong @gabriel @shuro guys, i'm begging you, try Delta Chat. Just once. It's simple to test. I have my own private Chatmail server too. It's great. You'll get a random anonymous account and your messages auto expire. Your account completely deletes after 90 days of inactivity.
     
     Install the app
     
     click the this here to generate an account on the main public/open instance: https://nine.testrun.org/new
     
     then click this to join a group chat: https://i.delta.chat/#23AE32FAC727CBD2975A713435F204CD32A4794B&a=b792yz5ve%40nine.testrun.org&g=Fedi%20Test&x=tlToHb6SFuE&i=258chAbG3ug&s=zJ-griUemIY
     
     
     and like magic you can see what "federated Signal" would look like and not require any new protocols to be implemented, and very hard to block this messenger without having to break all email functionality for your citizens
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     Vad fan? (vikingkong@misskey.vikingkong.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 01:11:02 JST Vad fan?

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     • shuro
     • Gabe

     @shuro@friends.deko.cloud @gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks @feld@friedcheese.us if good messengers wouldn't be needed they wouldn't exist They don't exist, yes.and yet almost everyone has one or more they use daily.Oh, that notorious "all my friends are here". People use Facebook for the same reason.

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     shuro (shuro@friends.deko.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 01:11:03 JST shuro

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     • Gabe
     • Vad fan?

     @gabriel @vikingkong @feld If messengers weren't needed they wouldn't exist and yet almost everyone has one or more they use daily.

     In fact email is also a messaging system and we don't have problems with messengers and problems with email - we have general messaging problem which is yet to be resolved. Email suffers from the same problems messengers do.

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     barrett (barrett@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 02:31:52 JST barrett

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     • shuro
     • Gabe
     • Vad fan?
     @feld @shuro @vikingkong @gabriel its really good, thanks for letting me test on your server. also lol at the pain of trying to get friends to download and try an app in 2024. app development is pain
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