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Matty (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:45:39 JST 
Matty
I've been mulling over that PSA AR-10 but I think I should take the funds I'd spend on that and get a suppressor instead. Not sure. I am so bad at making decisions. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:45:32 JST 
Bread up, Bro
@matty @VikingWays @d0c40r0 @dictatordave it depends on what you are looking to do. If you are worried that people are going to get inside your house and you would have to do defense inside your home the answer is different than a person you catch breaking in. -
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VikingWays (vikingways@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:45:33 JST 
VikingWays
Why? To me it's the best for a woman to use, easy to hit, wont pass through walls very well (in case they panic and suck) etc. I'm up to be proven wrong. -
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Matty (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:45:33 JST
Matty
Shotgun rounds pass through walls better than rifle and pistol, and there are 8 pellets (assuming you're using buckshot) rather than one projectile. Shotgun for home defense is a meme. Use a rifle. -
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Doc (d0c40r0@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:45:34 JST 
Doc
I just want something that when it’s 3am and I can’t see shit I can get the woman to stand behind me and eviscerate whatever’s in front of me, might end up just getting something around $100 from PSA tbh -
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Matty (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:45:34 JST
Matty
>can't see shit
This is why weapon mounted lights exist. I would never recommend a shotgun for home defense but to each their own. -
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Doc (d0c40r0@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:45:35 JST
Doc
Once I finally buy myself a shotgun the next gun I’m looking at is either .308 or 30-06 -
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Matty (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:45:35 JST
Matty
I had a shotgun that I gave to my parents back in 2016. I should probably get that back at some point lol. It wasn't anything cool, I think a Remington 870 -
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Matty (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:45:36 JST
Matty
To be fair I would NOT want to get hit with .30-06 -
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Doc (d0c40r0@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:45:36 JST
Doc
I wouldn’t want to get hit with anything but to each their own lol -
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Matty (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:45:37 JST
Matty
I like the 7.62x39 because it sounds wonderful when it hits steel but if I ever built a rifle for it, I'd go with a polymer AK and bubba it up. 300 blackout is a meme round in my opinion. Sure it's built for suppressors but it's also expensive as fuck and I'd rather spend that on something more capable like a .308. -
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Doc (d0c40r0@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:45:37 JST
Doc
I run my gawd daym thirty ought six bubba that’ll blow anythin to smithereens I tell yew -
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Doc (d0c40r0@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:45:38 JST
Doc
at the end of the day unless it’s a .22, a suppressor’s not gonna make or break a rifle and I‘d assume the game you intend to be hunting isn’t rabbit
I’d go for the ar-10 and just get a solid muzzle brake for the other gun, pretty good ones still go for like $60 iirc -
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Matty (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:45:38 JST
Matty
Ehh the suppressor on 5.56 even with supersonic ammunition is a considerable difference in rapport. It's hard to tell where it's coming from if you're a considerable distance away. -
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dictatordave (dictatordave@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:45:38 JST 
dictatordave
@matty @d0c40r0 go with the 3-oh-hate, its proving on the modern battle field to be much more effective
plus its way more useful when taking down big game
an even better option, imo, would either be 300blk with sub sonics or, 450 bushmaster, i keep telling myself i dont need another caliber but those are what i'm considering
dont bother with the 762 trap, its a fun jack hammer and similar hole puncher size but the ar-15 platform isn't very reliable with the hard primers, even with upgraded hammer spring -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:49:57 JST
Bread up, Bro
@dictatordave @matty @VikingWays @d0c40r0 psychologically most burglars aren't looking to get killed, there are other places to rob. People looking to rape or kill are different, ( they also might want to take your stuff, but they're going in with a different expectation ) -
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dictatordave (dictatordave@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:49:58 JST
dictatordave
@sickburnbro @matty @VikingWays @d0c40r0 yea that's very true, and if you have to consider shit like castle doctrine and duty to retreat laws and bullshit you're really in tricky spots
shouldn't be that way, but it do -
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Bunsen :not_the_confederate_flag: (bunsen@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:53:43 JST 
Bunsen :not_the_confederate_flag:
@sickburnbro @dictatordave @matty @VikingWays @d0c40r0 When they break into your home and you are home, you don't know what their intentions are. You have to assume the worst if you want to survive. Bread up, Bro likes this. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:55:11 JST
Bread up, Bro
@Bunsen @dictatordave @matty @VikingWays @d0c40r0 absolutely; but you can't prepare for every contingency. So you have to decide what you want to prepare for.
If you are in an area when burglary isn't rare, but murder is, it makes more sense to prepare for the burglar. -
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dictatordave (dictatordave@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:55:28 JST
dictatordave
@sickburnbro @matty @VikingWays @d0c40r0 oh 100%
there was one guy i can't remember who but he was some ranger goon that was talking about how when he clears his house or like practices, he actually goes in loud, and talks shit, his thought is, they're going to know you're there and you should let them know that they're fukt to put a lot of fear in the intruder
so i guess its just based on your situation but i could see yelling shit like 'i called the cops to send an ambulance to take your corpse out of here!'
this is also why i would fix bayonet if i had the chance
burglers aren't coming back if someone gets shivved with a gunBread up, Bro likes this. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:56:20 JST
Bread up, Bro
@dictatordave @matty @VikingWays @d0c40r0 yeah, it's like shit talking in sports, just higher stakes. -
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Bunsen :not_the_confederate_flag: (bunsen@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 00:57:36 JST
Bunsen :not_the_confederate_flag:
@sickburnbro @dictatordave @matty @VikingWays @d0c40r0 A valid point, but situations tend to escalate into actual violence from what I have seen here in the States. In Europe, things are different, obviously. Bread up, Bro likes this. -
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Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl (karldahl@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 12:01:37 JST 
Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl
@CaptainFuggetaboutit @PatrickCooper @matty It doesn't reduce the sound signature, it's not a suppressor
Redirecting blast away from the shooter doesn't change the signature elsewhere. The purpose of a suppressor is more than just making it safer for the shooter. Finally, no non-suppressor device is hearing safeBread up, Bro likes this. -
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Patrick Cooper (patrickcooper@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 12:01:38 JST 
Patrick Cooper
@CaptainFuggetaboutit @matty @KarlDahl pls to explain, since I've never heard of these
it's not a 'suppressor' because... it directs the gases downrange on not just diffusing them generally? -
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Captain Fuggetaboutit (captainfuggetaboutit@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 12:01:38 JST 
Captain Fuggetaboutit
i think its because it doesnt have what can be legally described as a stack of baffles -
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Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl (karldahl@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 12:01:39 JST
Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl
@CaptainFuggetaboutit @matty Suppressors are about confusing the ahhhhh you know -
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Captain Fuggetaboutit (captainfuggetaboutit@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 12:01:39 JST
Captain Fuggetaboutit
and linear compensators do that
its just the pistol brace of supressors -
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Captain Fuggetaboutit (captainfuggetaboutit@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 12:01:40 JST
Captain Fuggetaboutit
get a linear compensator. no stamp required. protects the ears just as good -
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Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl (karldahl@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 12:01:41 JST
Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl
@matty Get the suppressor -
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Matty (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 12:01:41 JST
Matty
I thought I'd be able to buy two for the same amount I'd spend on the gun but nope, they're like $1000 each plus good goy stamp -
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Captain Fuggetaboutit (captainfuggetaboutit@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 12:30:45 JST
Captain Fuggetaboutit
"I have an uncle who works at Nintendo, so I don't mind buying extra controllers"
the government is not getting $200 for a supressor unless I am buying a suppressor from the government for a flat $200 and not a cent more. -
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Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl (karldahl@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 12:30:45 JST
Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl
@CaptainFuggetaboutit @_Seraphim_ @matty @PatrickCooper That has nothing to do with the topic at hand
Per the NFA, registration, transfer protocol and the $200 tax are required for any mobile device that attaches to a firearm and reduces the sound signature of a gunshot by even a few decibels. Baffles don't have shit to do with whether or not such a device is labeled a suppressor, although the ATF does indeed restrict constructed baffles to inclusion with a registered suppressor that uses them
The devices you're advocating for are simply open front cans that direct the muzzle blast forward of the shooter, which reduces some of the perceived sound wave. It does not reduce the actual sound signature - which is measurable in decibels - whatsoever. There is no such thing as an unregulated device which attaches to a firearm and reduces the sound signature
Nor have you ever used such a device, because if you had you wouldn't speak this way. You're pointing to a video for a rather expensive version of this type of device, which people like because it looks like one of HUXWRX's actual suppressors and makes short barreled firearms with concussive muzzle blasts more tolerable to the shooter and people on the firing line. All the people in the video are wearing hearing protection because it's not a hearing-safe device, even though movie magic makes it sound dampened. Nor does HUXWRX claim that it reduces the sound signature, because it doesn't; it simply directs the muzzle blast forward, which makes a big difference in the comfort level when shooting shorties
There are all kinds of linear comps which work this way, all of them are fine at what they are, but none of them are alternatives to suppressors. If you want to pay several hundred dollars for something that looks like a suppressor but doesn't actually function like one rather than about $80 for the same shit elsewhere, then pat yourself on the shoulder for not paying a mere NFA tax, have at itBread up, Bro likes this. -
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Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl (karldahl@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 12:30:46 JST
Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl
@_Seraphim_ @CaptainFuggetaboutit @matty @PatrickCooper Ding ding
Novelty range toys that reduce preceived blast on short barreled rifles are neat but have no tactical value. Real suppressors have tactical value
Yeah, a friend of mine is an SOT and always has the latest shit to play with. He spends often, I spend once. A tax stamp doesn't ascare me -
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✠ Seraphim ✠ (_seraphim_@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 12:30:47 JST 
✠ Seraphim ✠
Even with a supersonic cartridge, suppressors put a fun new twist on the Zones of Deception, Confusion and Certainty. The traveling sound signature generated by supersonic projectile flight reflects from behind or around the target, depending on how your shooting environment is laid out. High ballistic coefficient subsonics are even more fun. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 13:03:10 JST
Bread up, Bro
@KarlDahl @CaptainFuggetaboutit @_Seraphim_ @matty @PatrickCooper what's also interesting to keep in mind is that sound also follows the power law
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Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl (karldahl@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 13:03:11 JST
Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl
@CaptainFuggetaboutit @_Seraphim_ @matty @PatrickCooper Here's an illustration of how seriously the ATF pole smokers take sound suppression. This is the muzzle device from a Colt XM177E1 carbine, which came with either a 10" or 11.5" barrel. The gas port is in the front sight assembly as seen on M-16s, etc. and there wasn't enough backpressure for the bolt to consistently cycle. So, Colt developed a muzzle device that trapped gas long enough for the weapon to cycle consistently. It was as loud as a 20" M-16. The military used them, whee. In the 70s, some ended up on the commercial market. The ATF tested them and found that, while the carbine was as loud as an M-16, without a muzzle device on, they were even louder. The sound signature was reduced by about 2 db, therefore they were restricted NFA devices. This is still the case. It wasn't because they used teeny tiny baffles - there were plenty of suppressors in the old days that didn't have baffles, but consisted of a barrel or tube drilled with ports, wrapped in various materials to slow the gases, then enclosed with a tube. NFA item. No baffles. It's because any device that reduces the sound signature AT ALL is a considered a suppressor
There is an entire industry for retro guns, and the guys who make these will usually send them in to the ATF to get tested so that they can show that it's not an NFA device... because it doesn't reduce the sound signature -
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Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl (karldahl@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 13:03:11 JST
Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl
@CaptainFuggetaboutit @_Seraphim_ @matty @PatrickCooper This is the device you think is as good as a suppressor yet magically isn't one. Notice the big opening on the end? That's where all of the gas goes. Do you think a few inches of tube is going to make a gun as quiet as a device with an enclosed front end and internal geometry to slow those games?
Ever fired a 12" barreled shotgun, then a 28" barreled shotgun? You can shoot the 28" barreled shotgun a little in the field and only do a little damage, because it's a low pressure cartridge type and the long barrel means the noise is farther away from your ears. If you shoot skeet, or trap, without hearing protection for any length of time, soon your vocabulary will consist primarily of, "WHAT?"
Shoot a single shot from a 12" barreled shotgun without hearing protection and your ears will ring for a good long time - because it's close to your ears, and thus the concussive blast us nearer to your eats, and head in general. It will fuck you up badly very quickly. It won't be a radically louder weapon from a decibel messurement, overall, but the perceived blast will be far worse
A 20" barreled AR-15 will fuck your hearing up like the 12" barreled shotgun because it's a high pressure cartridge, but with hearing protection it's a delight, because the concussion is far enough away. The same weapon with a 10" barrel will rattle your teeth even with earpro on. The device that pushes the blast a little farther away from you, and projected more forward because of its geometry, will reduce the teeth-rattle, but will still deafen you quickly without hearing protection - because it's still a fucking rifle shot with real rifle shot decibels - and be just as loud to anyone forward of the muzzle
If you don't want to fuck with NFA devices, the old school way is to shoot a low powered subsonic cartridge through a long barrel - .22 CB, .32 Long, etc. - so that the powder is all burned up long before it exits the 22" or longer barrel. But put a device on it that reduces the decibel level further, that device is a suppressor, period
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