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   frogzone@wizard.casa's status on Monday, 04-Nov-2024 09:38:30 JST frogzone

   Did anyone hear about bigtech investing in #nuclear energy to supposedly power 'ai'? here's a supposed article that sounds like it's copy-pasted straight from the nuclear lobby's press release (you can tell because they write "clean energy" as opposed to "toxic waste generating energy that poisons children and placed in bombs to damag the #genetics of people in parts of the world bankers want to harvest").

   Amazon bought a nuclear-powered #datacenter in march and now they are investing $500 million in "small modular reactors". The nuclear lobby must be thrilled that everyone seems to be too distracted with the election to even talk about this. This news from amazon came a day after google announced it has big plans to go nuclear over the next decade or so.

   in case anyone needed another reason to boycott m$, amaz, and goog....

   #pollution #cancer #eugenics #warmachine #weaponsindustry #amazon #google #aws #microsoft #refugeecultivation #modernslavery #datacenters

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 04-Nov-2024 09:38:29 JST 翠星石

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     @frogzone >toxic waste generating energy that poisons children
     Radioactivity is not toxicity.
     
     It's slightly used fuel rather than waste and it's slightly less radioactive than before (uranium fuel decays to fast decaying isotopes or non-radioactive elements, rather than generating anything).
     
     You can reprocessing it endlessly or let it cool down for a few years and dig a deep hole in a tectonically stable area and throw it back into the ground it came from and then problem solved - although politics tries to stop either from happening.
     
     Which children have been poisoned from decommissioned fuel (spoiler, none as plant operators have to deal with the slightly used fuel and cannot just dump it unlike coal fly ash)?
     
     >placed in bombs to damag the #genetics of people in parts of the world bankers want to harvest
     Wrong fuel grade.
     
     You need to enrich uranium to a much higher level to make a bomb than what is used in power reactors.
     
     To make plutonium you need a breeder reactor rather than a normal power reactor.
     
     A controlled amount of radiation above the baseline like what nuclear employees get appears to reduce cancer occurrence.
     
     >small modular reactors
     Not efficient, but those will have "walk away and ignore" safety.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Nov-2024 22:31:40 JST 翠星石

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     @frogzone Please learn the basics of a topic before complaining about it - don't watch the Simpsons and read media articles and think that's all you need to know about the topic.
     
     >it does create a demand for the mining of things that should not be mined.
     Most uranium is not mined - it's leached out of the ground instead; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_mining?useskin=monobook#Mining_techniques
     
     Mining and leachate isn't good, but it's kind of good for the ground to be cleaned up via the removal of uranium.
     
     >i'll just add i dont care about the "amount of enrichment" the stuff should barely be removed from the ground at all. Uses beyond medical be damned.
     If you want radioactive isotopes for medical use, you need to leach or mine uranium in bulk, enrich it and shove it into a breeder reactor.
     
     If you can ensure medical isotopes are created without allowing fuel to be enriched to nuke grade, or for enough plutonium to be bred, you can allow for power generation as well with the same requirements.
     
     >Its false to claim spent fuel is not used in weapons
     The fuel is not spent - it's slight used and just full of neutron poisons - if you remove the neutron poisons, it's ready for use again; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_poison?useskin=monobook#Accumulating_fission_product_poisons
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_reprocessing?useskin=monobook
     
     >spent fuel bombs have also been used (or threathened to be used) in a current racist war the usa state dept is conducting via proxies they groomed over fecebook.
     Dirty bombs have never been used in a war - they have only been tested.
     
     If someone wanted to make a dirty bomb, they would likely go for medical isotopes via old medical generators, as slightly used fuel is too hard to acquire (you'll die of bullet wounds before reaching any used fuel storage pool).
     
     Dirty bombs are more of a psychological weapon - they are unlikely to kill anyone, but they will freak the crap out of many people and result in hysteria and also be very expensive to clean up.
     
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_bomb?useskin=monobook
     
     As for attacks with radioactive isotopes, russia has done a few of those, for example; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko?useskin=monobook
     
     Polonium-210 usually needs to be produced in a breeder reactor, as only certain reactors produce that isotope; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonium-210?useskin=monobook#Production
     
     Using such kind of poison is incredibly stupid, considering how many effective poisons are available that may not even be detected, unlike a poison which will be detected and allow investigators to work out which reactor produced it and also where the poisoners went.
     
     >(biden) seemingly allowed #amazon to purchase a nuclear power station in march.
     That electricity is only going to be used to attack humanity, so it's a shame, but at least they didn't go for coal or gas.
     
     >there's no save amount of "background" exposure, including of the waste produced.
     Yes, there is a safe amount of radiation exposure - too little is harmful too; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis?useskin=monobook
     
     The LNT model is utter garbage; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_threshold?useskin=monobook
     
     >what kind of studies are u looking at?
     My bad, it was cancer deaths I was thinking of, not cancer rates.
     
     The amount of radiation nuclear workers get exposed to may or may not increase their risk of cancer, but I don't believe those studies looked into the death rate (just because you get cancer that is detected doesn't mean death is guaranteed - I believe the study I remembered reported lower cancer deaths - although I can't find it again at the moment); https://theconversation.com/nuclear-workers-risk-of-cancer-lower-than-previously-thought-21885
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     frogzone@wizard.casa's status on Tuesday, 05-Nov-2024 22:31:41 JST frogzone

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     @Suiseiseki >Wrong fuel grade...You need to enrich uranium to a much higher level to make a bomb than what is used in power reactors.

     Below is response to someone else:

     >its not just about "nuclear bombs", but yes it does create a demand for the mining of things that should not be mined.
     >spent radioactive fuels have been used for sickening (literally and figuratively) war crimes on peoples this century ie. since 2000....that's all i'll say.

     i'll just add i dont care about the "amount of enrichment" the stuff should barely be removed from the ground at all. Uses beyond medical be damned. Its false to claim spent fuel is not used in weapons and u seem like u'd know better so i have to wonder whether u are trying to mislead.

     spent fuel bombs have also been used (or threathened to be used) in a current racist war the usa state dept is conducting via proxies they groomed over fecebook. so not just something that has been used against middle east this century, but also against eastern europe (and some might argue, europe itself).

     as an aside i find it interesting that also trump tore up the treaty that was about reducing the proliferation of nuclear weapons.

     regardless, if we think big tech a too powerful now wait till they have control of nuclear energy too. Oh wait, look, fake puppet president (biden) seemingly allowed #amazon to purchase a nuclear power station in march. #monopoly #plutocracy #robberbarons

     >A controlled amount of radiation above the baseline like what nuclear employees get appears to reduce cancer occurrence.

     no. there's no save amount of "background" exposure, including of the waste produced. sounds like a nuke lobby lie. what kind of studies are u looking at? not the fami'liar' #biostitute ones, i hope?

     >small modular reactors...."walk away and ignore" safety

     a macabre joke not worth answering

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     frogzone@wizard.casa's status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 19:53:20 JST frogzone

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     @Suiseiseki all this detail is very dazzling. i dont have time for this level of nit-picking....'leeching' vs 'mining'? this is wasting time with semantics. When it comes to its misuse in dirty bombs, war criminals tend to lie. What ive learned over the years is a) noone wants to really store that on stuff on their land, and b) supply creates demand, as in the supply of the materials to produce dirty bombs creates the demand for use in war crimes (incl false flags).

     'Rates' of cancer and genetic issues are as important and horrible as 'deaths' , at least to me.

     btw in case this wasn't intentional all your links to wikipedia (a questionable source on controversial/political topics i must add) have a rather unusual "?useskin=monobook" in them, i hope noone uses those links without sanitizing them and removing those....do you know what that is about? its not some sort of trick that malware is putting on your links to deanonymize u, or is it really an intentional theme u have? if anonymity is your thing, and i sort of assume it is, im bringing it up.

     nuclear energy is really bad and not really sustainable either. ive read enough results from studies and learned from highly qualified people on this. the absolute last thing in the world we need are criminal corporates like sc'amazon , their biggest client being the cia, involved.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 19:53:20 JST 翠星石

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     @frogzone >a) noone wants to really store that on stuff on their land
     The GNU state will be glad to store whatever medical isotopes or reactor fuel you want - you just gotta make the storage buildings.
     
     >a questionable source on controversial/political topics i must add
     It's not really that hard to work out which information is clearly wrong on wikipedia and which is correct.
     
     >the supply of the materials to produce dirty bombs creates the demand for use in war crimes
     A supply that would be actually somewhat feasible to get your hands on would be medical isotopes.
     
     >hope noone uses those links without sanitizing them and removing those....do you know what that is about?
     It enables the monobook theme so you're not subject to the unreadable default theme.
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 06:37:38 JST pistolero

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     @syzygy @frogzone @jeffcliff @stefano That's a tricky one, because there is no type of pornography that you can look at to discourage the CIA. Fortunately, the answer is simple: hack @pernia and route all of his traffic through your network.
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     سورق (syzygy@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 06:37:39 JST سورق

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     @p @stefano @jeffcliff @frogzone
     At least seven hops between me and any Tor node or instance I'm on go through CIA black sites. Send help.
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 06:37:40 JST pistolero

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     @frogzone @stefano @jeffcliff I don't see a problem with this, but exactly the same things I said last time still apply: if you think this is wasteful, it will be *more* inefficient to push all of this all the way to the edge. You also still don't seem to distinguish between "all datacenters" and "Amazon hollowing out a mountain". I don't care if Amazon hollows out a mountain to begin with, but I think "I take my computer to a building" is a completely different thing from a closed datacenter.
     
     You do a traceroute between two hosts, and it's 12 hops or whatever and except the first and last two hops, they live in datacenters, because this reduces power and administration costs for the network. You do not have a mesh routing system for the current internet.
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     frogzone@wizard.casa's status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 06:37:41 JST frogzone

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     @stefano @jeffcliff @p @mystie maybe replace "<del>important</del>" with "revealing"

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     @stefano @jeffcliff @p @mystie when people say we need to decommission datacenters and replace then with ipfs or some better protocol (possibly something that is exclusively tor/i2p based and that maybe isn't developed on m$github), this is the sort of scenario we are want to avoid.

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     >Virginia plays a major role in this energy shift, with nearly half of all U.S. data centers located there—especially in an area known as Data Center Alley. Around 70% of the world’s internet traffic flows through this region each day. Dominion Energy supplies power to 452 data centers in Virginia, most of them located in Data Center Alley, and expects demand to increase by 85% over the next 15 years. AWS’s new SMRs are expected to provide at least 300 megawatts of power to the region.

     this is probably the most important paragraph in the suspected #nuclearlobby's public relations piece. #toobigtoexist #bds #unelectedmafia #moneyprintergobrr #fraud #massdecryptionchokepoint #antidemocratic #masssurveillance @p @mystie @jeffcliff @stefano

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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 14:32:19 JST pistolero

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     @frogzone @smallcircles @jeffcliff
     
     > nuclear doesn't work, its known NOT to work
     
     I am pretty sure that you can use fissile material to heat water to create steam to turn a turbine and that the output of the energy is greater than the energy required to maintain the reaction.
     
     > it requires violence and repression to even get by and it leaves in its wake violence and repression,
     
     Thorium salt reactors are looking more and more plausible and those have, I imagine, none of the problems you want to complain about: they are safer, they use a more abundant element, they require less "THIS IS NOT A PLACE OF HONOR" signage, etc. If you have heard of it and you are ignoring it, or if your first instinct is to try to figure out what's wrong with it or what problems it has, then you should probably examine whether your complaint is with the alleged violence and repression or if your complaint is actually closer to Orwell's observation of some socialists: they don't love the poor, they hate the rich. (As far as I am concerned, if it represents an improvement over the use of uranium or plutonium, it's worth doing.)
     
     > it breeds problems and is totally unworkable in the longterm.
     
     It has been in use for decades; the better part of a century in fact.
     
     Your strategy is unworkable in both the short and long terms. You will not ever shame people into using fewer resources. You cannot. That is what is really unworkable. Complaining has, for millennia, completely failed to result in workable solutions. It just annoys people that are building things.
     
     You can work on making solar power more efficient, easier to manufacture, cheaper, etc., and making the batteries friendlier to whatever environmental goal you have, because there is no sun at night and there is usually no wind either. You can help with thorium salt or cold fusion or any of the other advances that will enable energy. You can build these things but if you try to complain until someone else builds them, you will fail and if you attempt to force them, you should first learn to speak Hindi and then Mandarin and complain in those languages. People fight wars for energy: they are not going to stop using energy just because they hear complaints.
     
     I don't want to argue about nuclear energy, I want to get back to building things. I am happy to share thoughts, but I detest advocacy and if there is anything I hate more than advocacy, it is being advocated *at*. I view it is a sales pitch; until you have adopted my pet issues and my goals are achieved, your ideological sales pitch to save the earth is, like a preacher knocking at my door to save my soul, possibly well-intentioned but at best an interruption from the work that I believe will accomplish my goals. I don't mind talking ideas or philosophy, I like conversations, but I do not want to be advocated at and I don't want to be collateral damage for advocacy.
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 14:32:20 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     @frogzone @p @smallcircles
     
     > a result of years of indoctrination into a school of thought that #carbondioxide is the only problem
     
     It's not the only problem but it's one of the biggest ones, and one that needs to be solved. Nuclear waste storage is a long-term issue for whatever locality has to deal with it but the atmosphere is currently not being dealt with correctly and *all of humanity* is charged with making changes that minimize our impact, which includes but is not limited to replacing coal power with nuclear in places like saskatchewan
     
     of course the problems of nuclear comes with that, including political corruption here. Not sure what to do with that
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     @jeffcliff @smallcircles @p >of course the problems of nuclear comes with that, including political corruption here. Not sure what to do with that

     nuclear doesn't work, its known NOT to work it requires violence and repression to even get by and it leaves in its wake violence and repression, we need to find real options that are long term sustainable, nuclear is not an option worth considering....ever.... it breeds problems and is totally unworkable in the longterm.

     i'll tag u in something....one sec

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     @syzygy @stefano @jeffcliff @p @s8n >You do not have a mesh routing system for the current internet.

     no but do you recognize that the following is CRIMINAL (from the OP, also repeated on this thread)

     >Virginia plays a major role in this energy shift, with nearly half of all U.S. data centers located there—especially in an area known as Data Center Alley. Around 70% of the world’s internet traffic flows through this region each day. Dominion Energy supplies power to 452 data centers in Virginia, most of them located in Data Center Alley, and expects demand to increase by 85% over the next 15 years. AWS’s new SMRs are expected to provide at least 300 megawatts of power to the region.

     @Suzu
     >big tech is not 100% filled with retards and even they know that nuclear power is the best way to(...)

     65% hedonist (which is a form of mental retardation in my estimation) and 30% cold out-of-control, too-big-too-exist abusers of the people and resources, theyve never seen an new shart phone or electronic devices they did want to cram more power grabbing, privacy invading anti-features, and dodgy chips into. them going nuclear is total hubris, as in, "everything can go wrong, but its only a 'small, modular reactor' that we can just dump in the ocean if it goes bad and until then we can just mine bitcoins for the govt and print money for them and us with nuclear." the other 5% is being able to identify what businesses they need to print money to buyoff to maintain 'market' control.

     its a totally psychotic, they need to be stopped, even if this is about delivering more 'christlike ai' to the peasants, which i dont believe for one second, that is just the 'mass line', they can quickly turn around the next day and say we are just going to nuclear power our ddos attacks and mine bitcoins for govt, we need to say no to this power grab by big tech. its too much pwer. they have already dominated too many industries, we cannot let them have electricity too, and importantly, decide who in the data centers gets that electricity.

     they need to be stopped (in march 2024 but failing that we need to lobby to stop them) now.

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     @jeffcliff @p @smallcircles on what parallel universe is nuclear energy considered "clean" energy with "zero emissions"? one where the narrative and language has clearly been co-opted by the corporate modern slavery purveyors, ie. bigtech and the military industrial intelligence media academia thinktank complex.

     a result of years of indoctrination into a school of thought that #carbondioxide is the only problem.... a simple single problem for simple people....so sit back and let your corporate masters defile u now while saying they are serving you the godlike #AI you're told to crave.

     https://web.archive.org/web/20241009005615/https://x-energy.com/ #technofix #stopnuclear #boycottbigtech #boycott #bds #cagemafia #xenergyllc

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     سورق (syzygy@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 14:32:22 JST سورق

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     @p @pernia @stefano @jeffcliff @frogzone
     You think I haven't done this already?