>aCkShUaLLy iT wAsN't **fOrCeD** They tried incentives, that failed. The jab went way past coercion, people lost their careers over this. People couldn't go to a hospital to visit a dying relative. And they still wanted to drive "deniers" into camps like Australia did. If they felt they could have got away with using force, they most certainly would have.
@Humpleupagus@MCMLXVIIOTG@sickburnbro I always view democracy as the last resort for institutions that are thoroughly and irredeemably corrupted...sadly I think doctors and medical professionals have earned their own branch of congress...
Due to licensing and a doctor's ability to exempt people from criminal prosecution based on the exercise of discretionary judgment via prescriptions, I would deem them state actors and find the delegation of judicial authority unconstitutional.
I note that I can't get most labs without a doctor's order, i.e. I cannot make determinations about my own health without using one.
Imagine if you could only access law through lawyers, and they only let you read what they believed was necessary, and they had to approve every legal act you did, including entering into contacts, and the government forced you to have legal insurance to cover the costs for the "public good."
Doctors have what I consider a very bizarre power over the people, and one we wouldn't condone in other contexts. Most people just don't see it because "its always been that way" during their lives.
@Humpleupagus@MCMLXVIIOTG@sickburnbro back in the last days of my dying liberal soul (2020)...I was trying to rally people around constitutional amendments to 1) formally adopt the hippocratic oath into the bill of rights, 2) force any laws and regulations giving doctors (and psychiatrists and bureaucrats in any federal medical agencies) any special state privileges (like what you mention) to be detailed by laws passed in a parliament or chamber of elected medical professionals (qualification to be elected to be determined by the states), and 3) to impose a code of ethical conduct on doctors (we watch who they get kickbacks from)...now I think it'd be more fun to hang them...but whatevs...
I would just open the pharmacies and labs, but subject them to safety regulation, e.g. that the products they're dispensing are unadulterated, or the labs they're giving measure what they purport to measure. I'd also require pharmacies to have permits and make it illegal to sell without one in order to reduce hoarding. Otherwise, some faggot will buy up the stock and jack up prices.
This would bring down the cost of care for everyone. Seeing a doctor for a script is effectively a tax on the script, it's a cost of it.
I'd still advise that people consult professionals when needed. It just shouldn't be required.
@Humpleupagus@MCMLXVIIOTG@sickburnbro I mean I think that would be a good system...my main concern on this...and nearly every medical issue it turns out...is that we have to "subject them to [...] regulation"...I don't like the way these regulations would come about in our agencies...
I agree that who's in government is a problem. They gave us the shit we have now, including jacking up the cost of medical care first by killing private practice via Stark and jacking up costs via Obama care, when we really should have ran the other way beginning in the 1980s. But boomers didn't want to help their parents and pushed them onto Medicare / medicaid so here we are.
I also don't know how else to deal with the hoarding issue. We know it will happen otherwise.
And besides, it would be better than what we have now.
>The government isn't threatening you with violence. They're simply unleashing a supersonic chunk of lead at your person. It's the chunk of lead that would kill you after it punched through your aorta, not the government.
@givenup@BowsacNoodle@MCMLXVIIOTG@sickburnbro you miss this point...i intend to marry her to death...she won't last long...then after absorbing her economics powers...i will attract a more suitable mate...
@Humpleupagus@MCMLXVIIOTG@sickburnbro No that means your dad became your mom and i was just being PC and using the correct pronouns chud. so your mom was your dad, and your mother dad would have manic episodes of switching between the different archetypes. So you were raised by trans nigger with multiple personality disorder.
@WeissenSocken88@Humpleupagus@MCMLXVIIOTG@sickburnbro dont listen to him he just processing all the trauma he went through as a child. its a tragic story its amazing how he overcame it to be lawyer for gay niggers in San Francisco gay nigger district
@Humpleupagus@MCMLXVIIOTG@sickburnbro buddy you made one error assuming i have to think to write the nonsense i type out call me william faulkner because this is nothing but steam of conscious
@RustyCrab@Hoss@sickburnbro Probably the scariest thing about Australia is how bipartisan a lot of the dystopian shit is. Sky news (our version of fox) was very supportive of all this. Nobody had any free speech concerns about the latest "hate symbols" legislation. Both sides of politics want online communication de-anonymized either for hate speech reasons or for "age verification". It was a right-wing government that gave up guns. I could go on.
@Hoss@RustyCrab@sickburnbro I'm not sure if they had this in the US but there was also this government app most people had installed that tracked your location so they could measure the spread of the virus or whatever, I think this was also required for work in certain places. My dad got really mad at me and told me I was killing people because I refused to install it. It's kind of funny in retrospect. You had to write down your contact details at every store you entered if you didn't install it.
@RustyCrab@Hoss@sickburnbro The only person I knew that didn't take the vaccine here was this middle-aged aspie that owned his own business and decided to info-dump about it on me at random. Albeit I very much kept my vaccine status to myself and didn't talk about it at all if I could help it. The predominant opinion from family and friends was that you should take the vaccine.
@RustyCrab@Hoss@sickburnbro When vaccine requirements were still in place for restaurants, I went out with friends to this cafe where everyone was eating outside anyway. I figured I could get away with it maybe since we weren't dining in, we were just going to pick up the food and leave, but the cashier btfo'd me and it was a bit awkward because none of my friends knew I wasn't vaccinated. Felt like I was black or something.
@cassidyclown@Hoss@sickburnbro there was a lot of vaccine hesitancy here in a lot of places. Later business started dropping the requirement when it became obvious it didn't really do anything to stop the spread.
@RustyCrab@Hoss@sickburnbro It's definitely over now but the vaccine requirement stuck around for a long time. To be fair, I think some of these were imposed by organizations and businesses and not strictly the government. There were important things I still couldn't attend in late 2022 because I was unvaccinated, despite lockdowns being over. Vaccine requirements for health workers were only scrapped in 2023, at least in WA - I'm not sure about other states.
@RustyCrab@Hoss@sickburnbro Wrong choice of words on my part - I'm fine but I'm no longer in a position where I can "comfortably" sit on my ass for over a year and earn no money because of vaccine restrictions.
@Hoss@sickburnbro this is why I take issue with people that saw taking the vaccine as some kind of "betrayal of the cause" and not a reality of the human rights violation that it was, especially in Australia. Like sure, someone like me with no dependents and a stable living situation (at the time) could weather it out fine but if I had a family it would have been a very different story.
>Force means use of violence. Fuck you. You threatened to take away people's ability to provide for themselves and their families if they didn't comply. That's violence in the same way the Irish potato famine was a genocide when Ireland kept exporting food to Britain while their own people were starving to death.
@bot@Hoss@RustyCrab@sickburnbro btw the left wing counter to this is "noooooo kids simply sneed twitter" - no one is pointing out the obvious which is that this will be abused to legally harass adults for saying no-no words online because nobody fucking cares. Only I care, very sad.
I mean the excuse is p*rn which just shouldn't be legal at all and also parents should yk.. supervise their children? I'm ok with age verification for p*rn if we're all just going to carry on living under a pedophile government with literally zero morality
@bot@RustyCrab@sickburnbro@Hoss For porn websites sure whatever, but they want this for all social media and yes it is unclear what does and doesn't constitute social media.
The Ashley Madison leak was a major turning point in the adult industry (along with the cybersecurity industry), given how many names were in it. People signed up for a website with the idea that it would be private, for doing things that they wanted to keep private, and having it leaked caused a lot of shit.
So porn sites would be absolutely scared shitless if there was a hack, names and addresses and ID/credit card info was leaked solely to make an account, and your paranoid wife who thinks you're cheating on her with everyone finds out.
@PurpCat@Hoss@RustyCrab@bot@sickburnbro tbh I can't really bring myself to give a fuck about coomers on porn sites but for normal social media, yes this means that even if you trust the government not to harass you for your political opinions, a data leak will result in you being totally doxed and not just your throwaway email being exposed.
@cassidyclown@Hoss the problem is that you can't really have the energy to get anything done as a human rights violation without the feeling of it being a personal betrayal.
It would be nice if it could be done that way, but when things get this bad, results are messy.