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    iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 12:27:23 JST iced depresso iced depresso
    we're back with this narrative again

    they really badly want to skinsuit the FSF

    RE: https://oldbytes.space/@48kRAM/113308015532584824
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      48kRAM (@48kRAM@oldbytes.space)
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      To the FSF: Remove Stallman. Replace the FSF board. Make the Free Software movement and culture safe for women to participate. To Everyone: Stop harboring assholes and start shouting down "reply guys". Make it clear to women that "Yes. You belong here" - not just with words but with actions. Take safety seriously. If you can't be kind to you fellow humans, then no amount of software will benefit the world, no matter its license. https://mastodon.social/@report_press/113305688857205037
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      iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 12:33:26 JST iced depresso iced depresso
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      @thegreatape yeah its such an irrelevant thing that i don't trust them at all. there's literally whole orgs dedicated to coddling women's egos and shit.

      somebody wants the FSF bad and RMS is a complete stopper to them being able to do it.
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      The Great Ape (Another Alt) (thegreatape@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 12:33:27 JST The Great Ape (Another Alt) The Great Ape (Another Alt)
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      @icedquinn I don't think women are avoiding the fsf cause of stallman but lol at this poster. I'm still not removing my GNU or fsf stickers from my laptop :acat_flower:
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      iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 12:34:43 JST iced depresso iced depresso
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      @thegreatape i haven't read it. haven't really cared what gnu does in a long time.
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      The Great Ape (Another Alt) (thegreatape@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 12:34:44 JST The Great Ape (Another Alt) The Great Ape (Another Alt)
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      @icedquinn double posting to say how ridiculous it is they call the GNU code of conduct thingy to be transphobic lol.
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      iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 12:36:38 JST iced depresso iced depresso
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      @thegreatape you have to be supremely autistic to stand up to society and say you're not going to take the money and sell everyone else down the river

      :blobcatgoogly:
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      The Great Ape (Another Alt) (thegreatape@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 12:36:39 JST The Great Ape (Another Alt) The Great Ape (Another Alt)
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      @icedquinn he's got cancer RN too and all of this is nothing new. Once a year they bring the same stuff out to see if they can make it happen
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      iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 12:43:44 JST iced depresso iced depresso
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      @teratology @thegreatape i think a lot of foss people have the biggest shrug, because unlike venture capital there is literally no approval required to run your own project. there is literally nothing whatsoever to stop women from writing bash scripts.

      a lot of it comes down to stuff that women don't like, but is irrelevant to men, like if somebody just says mean words to a man they're pretty much expected to cope and carry on.

      i've been watching a lot of this from the sidelines for a long time and to a limited extent there's just like... idk. some of its just tribal differences, once you remove the -actual- assaults etc
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      cipote :bishrexual: (teratology@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 12:43:45 JST cipote :bishrexual: cipote :bishrexual:
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      @icedquinn @thegreatape

      there's literally whole orgs dedicated to coddling women's egos and shit.

      This is all performative. I don't understand why people continue to not listen when women time and time again say they do not feel safe or comfortable in tech, let alone the free software movement. I just had a talk with someone about this, and while I don't think Stallman is the root of the problem, he is just one example of how the movement is riddled with misogyny and out of touch white males. Because that's exactly what it is. I am already a minority within the minority of women in the field, who are primarily white or asian to begin with.

      I would feel much more at ease if people just admitted that my experiences don't matter to them. The same way I've called out racism on here from leftists while their friends turn a blind eye to it.

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      Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 12:46:01 JST Angry Sun Angry Sun
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      @teratology @icedquinn @thegreatape I don't think he can help the way he is. People like him need a place too. We should go back to taking these guys and sticking them in a dark back room where they can hack and are never expected to interact with other employees.
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      iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 12:47:35 JST iced depresso iced depresso
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      @sun from what i recall its mostly the same generic complaints; people assuming women are bad at the job, constant advances etc.

      i mean yes in the physical jobs there has been much worse in the past

      @thegreatape @teratology
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      Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 12:52:10 JST Angry Sun Angry Sun
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      @icedquinn @thegreatape @teratology I am of course sympathetic to women but I can't help also feeling sympathetic to him. I was like this but learned how to not be like this, but some people are more inflicted than I was and can't ever fully adapt.
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      iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 12:59:26 JST iced depresso iced depresso
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      @teratology @sun @thegreatape i mostly defend him in the sense that he put in the work (at least, backwhen.) his opinions on most stuff is kind of irrelevant to the argument of evicting corporate colonization of technology.

      even some of the punishments were nonsense. he was punished for defending a dead colleague from pedophilia claims and it turned out in court documents he was indeed correct that the colleage refused sex with underaged women.

      they just have it out for the guy, really
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      cipote :bishrexual: (teratology@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 12:59:27 JST cipote :bishrexual: cipote :bishrexual:
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      @sun @icedquinn @thegreatape I just want to make it clear that RMS is the least of women's problems in the industry. I think that there is more to say about people who defend him and his retarded thoughts without question, but as a whole we do live in a patriarchal society and I think that this network loves to avoid why people of gender are more over represented than women like me.

      Some food for thought.

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      iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 13:01:28 JST iced depresso iced depresso
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      @teratology @thegreatape :gutkato_kjooo: i've been fired for saying so much less. lol
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      cipote :bishrexual: (teratology@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 13:01:29 JST cipote :bishrexual: cipote :bishrexual:
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      @icedquinn @thegreatape

      a lot of it comes down to stuff that women don't like, but is irrelevant to men, like if somebody just says mean words to a man they're pretty much expected to cope and carry on.

      I have gone on my merry way a lot of the time. I've been harassed and sexually harassed by people in the free software community. Even in corporate environments as a 18 year old I've had CEOs openly tell me that they believe women are intellectually inferior right after hiring me. It is no surprise that misogyny is rampant in tech, when it is so pervasive in women's everyday lives.

      People say mean and fucked up shit to me all the time, for the sole reason that I am a Brown Woman. Nobody comes to bat for me and I don't expect them to. But to act as if women as a whole are coddled or a protected class in tech is a reflection of misogyny.

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      iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 13:05:34 JST iced depresso iced depresso
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      @teratology @thegreatape basically said the golden boy was bad at teamwork and was stalling people's jobs and management went assmad.

      can't imagine getting away with saying something genuinely rude.
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      iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 13:33:27 JST iced depresso iced depresso
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      @teratology @mischievoustomato @thegreatape women did not really dominate computing. programming was seen as secretarial work, because they were just typing machine code in to a console after the male academic did all the design work on a blackboard.

      computer workers in general were held with a much higher degree of respect as men of science though.

      if i recall RMS' point it was more to do with how society assigns an arbitrary number to adulthood, one that societies don't even organically agree with. to a point you can't even ask them how they derive these dates either because its just kind of arbitrarily set. so whether something is legally pedophilia has a different result in the USA as it does the virgin islands, to japan, or those weird german states where age of consent is like 12, or France where age of consent is "whatever the judge feels like today"

      its one of those things that is philosophically correct but a normal person's need to pass compliance tests would compel them to shut up and go yup law says this, weathers great innit
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      cipote :bishrexual: (teratology@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 13:33:28 JST cipote :bishrexual: cipote :bishrexual:
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      @mischievoustomato @icedquinn @thegreatape I don't care how long ago it was, but it's sickening how normalized it is to gloss over an autists' longwinded blogpost defending child rape. If it wasn't for him retracting it back in 2019, people would still be defending him because of "cancer", or because of his undeniable contributions to the free software movement. On the surface, people here talk mad game about wanting to kill nonces but don't bring the same energy once it's their favorite RMS. I'm not surprised in the least, but it's still disgusting.

      When I was 14/15 I was still a fan, as a grown woman I'm extremely disappointed in him since learning of these posts and the free software movement as a whole, but that's just a small window inside the sexism, misogyny, and double standards in the tech community towards women as a whole. I was mistreated and treated horribly by a handful of racist or sexist professors in undergrad as well. I've only had one female professor, I am not lying and I don't care if anyone believes me.

      I also do recognize that it wasn't always like this and that women dominated computing prior to WWII, but the scientific community has also downplayed women's contributions and work (Rosalind Franklin for example). Even in the USSR, doctors were paid less when women dominated the field. This shit in programming is just an extension of the many ways it is a man's world.

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      Johnny Peligro, now on Mitra! (mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 13:33:38 JST Johnny Peligro, now on Mitra! Johnny Peligro, now on Mitra!
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      @teratology @icedquinn @thegreatape I'm willing to believe you because you seem to be truthful (this might sound awful though but idk how to say it better)

      anyway, how/why do they not feel safe?

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      iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 13:34:06 JST iced depresso iced depresso
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      @teratology @mischievoustomato @thegreatape it is accurate that women were more prevalent in tech in the 1960s, but they were not equals.
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      iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 13:57:14 JST iced depresso iced depresso
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      @leyonhjelm @thegreatape @teratology women in tech tend to be paid contractors, they don't tend to work on public works for free.

      a tiny sliver do, though they're pretending to be men online so they won't get flirted at.
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      ランファン (leyonhjelm@breastmilk.club)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 13:57:15 JST ランファン ランファン
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      @teratology

      It was easier to get men to pretend to be women than to get women to program well

      @icedquinn @thegreatape
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      cipote :bishrexual: (teratology@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 13:57:16 JST cipote :bishrexual: cipote :bishrexual:
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      @thegreatape @icedquinn The free software movement and the tech bro community as a whole is more pro-trans rights than women's rights.

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      Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 14:18:48 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
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      @Lyx @PurpCat @icedquinn @mattskala

      actually i've got a list of other things that need addressing

      * GPL4 should make clear that source code should be provided in plaintext not PNG files/screenshots/photographs/xeroxes of source code/etc (this is one of those obvious legal hacks that shouldn't be necessary but totally is, looking at you andrew torba). ie a manner of standard convenience for the user depending on the technology of the day.
      * GNU Affero should be opt-out not opt-in
      * What happens if SJWs get in charge of the FSF? The GPL should be hardened against that possibility
      * I agree with eben moglen that we haven't fully thought out allowing GPL code to spy on users / allowing spyware -- an anti-spyware provision similar to the GPL3 'users must have the key' would make a lot of sense
      * I agree with richard stallman (2001 nyu speech) that a future GPL (GPL4) could address the power differential between users of mobile systems in some way, that functionally gives more power to users
      * ...also there's something about movfuscation that needs to be addressed imho.
      * I think there's something inherently broken about forges that the GPL doesn't quite address. the github problem
      * Freedom 0 requires the freedom to shield what program you are running from the government / authority. Without such basic privacy, you can't run the program as you wish. Merely running in the presence of state surveillance is not enough imho
      * @sun had a suggestion on the old SPC but i forget what it was now.
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      iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 14:18:48 JST iced depresso iced depresso
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      @jeffcliff @PurpCat @Lyx @mattskala @sun
      > shielding against the government
      you can't use a government's laws to protect you from government overreach. there is a point where crypto and language tricks are no longer suitable and you have to pick up a shotgun
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      Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 14:18:49 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
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      @Lyx @icedquinn @PurpCat behind the attack on richard stallman the FSF and the GPL?? Fuck no.

      I am a proud FSF member for over 20 years and a vocal proponent of stallman even when this moral panic first started. https://shitposter.world/notice/An0B4GiP1ng82kqjU8

      I am in favour of reforming the GPL into a GPL4 but along the lines proposed by @mattskala ie #elevenfreedoms instead of 4
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        Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧😷“🌐 (@jeffcliff@shitposter.world)
        if we're going to recycle moral panics from 2019 basically word for word i'm just going to repost my podcast from 2019 https://invidious.poast.org/watch?v=7GeOroelgfs https://www.facebook.com/jef...
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      Lyx (lyx@cum.salon)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 14:18:50 JST Lyx Lyx
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      @PurpCat @icedquinn i bet @jeffcliff is somehow behind this
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      @jeffcliff @icedquinn @PurpCat @Lyx @sun "Plain text not PNG" should already be covered by the requirement to provide source in the preferred form for making modifications - though I am aware of, and have written about, the point that "should already be covered" is not dispositive of concerns in practice.

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      iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 14:23:54 JST iced depresso iced depresso
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      @jeffcliff @PurpCat @Lyx @mattskala @sun
      > its like the constitution
      the thing that hasn't been respected since 1942? lol
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      Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 14:23:55 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
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      @icedquinn @PurpCat @Lyx @mattskala @sun sure. but at the same time the value of freedom rings true through the GPL. If for example the government of The United States or something requires spyware as a condition of running a computer, the GPL can explicitly deal with this situation in some way. It's like the constitution in that way - even if the US government ignores the constitution, the constitution is still there to charge them with. Even if the SCOTUS decides to scrap the whole thing it's still there waiting to be picked up and implemented later. The spirit of freedom will never be truly extinguished until the last copy of the GPL is forgotten. We are not there yet.

      And guns aren't the only thing we have to fight governments with. Many governments including the US government use free software and the courts have approved it as a valid license. or contract? How is that VMWare lawsuit or whatever on that point going? I don't even know. Either way our code is helping increase the level of freedom and can continue to do so *if we value it*
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      iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 14:26:01 JST iced depresso iced depresso
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      @mattskala its a problem that has come up in FOIA cases. people requesting local survey data and being given jpegs instead of the geolite files.

      i haven't seen someone try to get away with png dumping source code personally, but i have seen overt violations (Onyx Boox are deliberate GPL violators) or half-assed compliance (ex. gab, google, prusa, just dumping out random tarball updates when convenient)

      @jeffcliff @PurpCat @Lyx @sun
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      @icedquinn @PurpCat @Lyx @jeffcliff @sun Interesting similar issue on what might be considered the other side, back in the day when people exported cryptographic code printed in hardcopy books in OCR fonts because that was legal and exporting disks or network downloads wouldn't have been.

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      @teratology @Cyrillic @mischievoustomato @thegreatape
      > drew
      :cirno_sip: he's a.. bit of a firecracker himself
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      @Cyrillic @icedquinn @mischievoustomato @thegreatape Hey yeah, so I was mainly referencing his creepy ass posts about AoC but apparently there is a lot more he's written on sexual assault and stuff. Not that he's done any of those things but it is weird and gross and I really don't think that people would be defending him this hard if he wasn't who he is.

      https://drewdevault.com/2023/11/25/2023-11-26-RMS-on-sex.html has an extensive post on some of his statements with sources

      He retracted the first statement but he has some weird ass definitions of what a child is. https://www.stallman.org/antiglossary.html

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      Protoss (cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 16:19:27 JST Protoss Protoss
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      @teratology @icedquinn @mischievoustomato @thegreatape do you have a link to the relevant post?
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      iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 16:24:01 JST iced depresso iced depresso
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      @teratology @Cyrillic @mischievoustomato @thegreatape drew has something of a hateboner for autistic people.

      he went on a whole campaign to cancel the hyprland guy just for something very stupid (he said there might be some argument to support a genocide out there he'd believe, even though he doesn't support one, and drew decided to make his life hell over being self-aware.)
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      @icedquinn @Cyrillic @mischievoustomato @thegreatape I'm aware he's controversial but I might as well site his blogpost since he does source most of RMs most controversial statements. I know there's that "anonymous report" but I didn't want to link to that considering it seems more biased.

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      @teratology @Cyrillic @mischievoustomato @thegreatape @get i don't really believe anyone considers him a danger. i'm convinced they want him out because he speaks against the narrative.
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      @get @icedquinn @Cyrillic @mischievoustomato @thegreatape yeah it's stupid to think that getting rid of RMS is going to be a step towards inclusivity. When I was an intern it was the HR guy making inappropriate comments about my body, not randos online.

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      @icedquinn @Cyrillic @mischievoustomato @thegreatape @teratology If RMS did get kicked out whoever replaces him is probably going to be a Microsoft secret agent antichrist type figure sent to sabotage everything
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      iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 16:30:28 JST iced depresso iced depresso
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      @teratology @Cyrillic @mischievoustomato @thegreatape sway, wayland specs, though he retired from those. i don't blame him for this because the wayland ecosystem is too retarded to salvage.

      i'm pretty confident at this point i would just strip the whole thing down to an Ember+ protocol, with a host that just negociates vulkan surfaces for rendering, and maybe slaps on openxr for events.

      wayland has been a resounding failure
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      @icedquinn @Cyrillic @mischievoustomato @thegreatape I wish people just acted normal and not being dickheads for no reason to people that are generally different than what they're used to. I am a fan of the Graphene project but I know too much about the drama with some of the lead devs and Copperhead. Has Drew worked on anything significant other than sourcehut?

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      @teratology @icedquinn @Cyrillic @mischievoustomato @thegreatape Yeah, like many people with pretty severe autism or with a background in 1970s post-hippie culture, he has some opinions that are stupid at best and out and out dangerous at worst. But I frankly don't think this debate, deep down, is about those opinions, I think they're a means to an end and his detractors are using Rules for Radicals tactics in a Machiavellian power play. People that defend him aren't defending his weird views on children and sexuality, they're making him and the FSF a hard line in the sand because of how similar brigades have impacted and corrupted other FOSS projects.
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      @mrsaturday @Cyrillic @mischievoustomato @thegreatape @teratology everyone has stupid opinions about something its just most people don't talk about them in public
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      @Cyrillic @icedquinn @mischievoustomato @thegreatape by his definition 13 and 14 year olds are not children. He also defended "voluntary pedophilia" which he decided was bad because he he finally talked to victims. You know what defines pedophilia right? That's prepubescent children.

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      @teratology @icedquinn @mischievoustomato @thegreatape It's not weird ass at all to have a different word for people of different age.
      Playing with words and technicalities can twist a 17 year old having sex into "child rape", and the people who wrote that article appear to support that bastardisation of language.
      A consistent theme on RMS' anti-glossary is that words should mean things, rather than be rhetorical devices.
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      @jeffcliff I suggest actually reading the GPLv3; https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.html

      >* GPL4 should make clear that source code should be provided in plaintext not PNG files/screenshots/photographs/xeroxes of source code/etc
      `The “source code” for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. “Object code” means any non-source form of a work.` - a PNG wouldn't be the preferred form for making modifications to it - a UTF-8 file would be though.

      >* GNU Affero should be opt-out not opt-in
      Numerous people suggested making the Affero clause part of the GPLv3, but many companies didn't like that and claimed that they would fork GPLv2 versions rather than allow for freedom.

      The current arrangement licenses is fine really, as you can just go with the AGPLv3-or-later and it's compatible with the GPLv3 - as both licenses are compatible with each other.

      >* What happens if SJWs get in charge of the FSF? The GPL should be hardened against that possibility
      `The Free Software Foundation may publish revised and/or new versions of the GNU General Public License from time to time. Such new versions will be similar in spirit to the present version, but may differ in detail to address new problems or concerns.`.
      That would no longer be the FSF and it wouldn't be similar in spirit, the GPLv3 is already hardened against that.

      >* I agree with eben moglen that we haven't fully thought out allowing GPL code to spy on users / allowing spyware -- an anti-spyware provision similar to the GPL3 'users must have the key' would make a lot of sense
      Copyright does not cover spyware, thus a license can't do anything about it.

      Every single time someone goes and adds spyware to free software, someone just goes and takes it out and releases a fixed version - so the spyware problem isn't an issue.

      >* I agree with richard stallman (2001 nyu speech) that a future GPL (GPL4) could address the power differential between users of mobile systems in some way, that functionally gives more power to users
      Adjustments to better suit mobile and IoStings devices may be suitable.

      >* ...also there's something about movfuscation that needs to be addressed imho.
      Obfuscated source code is not the preferred form of making modifications, so the GPLv3 doesn't allow that.

      >* I think there's something inherently broken about forges that the GPL doesn't quite address. the github problem
      Copyright does not apply to what websites people host software on, although more legal action against microsoft does need to be taken for all of the copyright infringement they are doing.

      >* Freedom 0 requires the freedom to shield what program you are running from the government / authority. Without such basic privacy, you can't run the program as you wish. Merely running in the presence of state surveillance is not enough imho
      The GPLv3 takes steps to ensure that you are not required to inform a particular party or the government that you are running the software; "You are not required to accept this License in order to receive or run a copy of the Program. Ancillary propagation of a covered work occurring solely as a consequence of using peer-to-peer transmission to receive a copy likewise does not require acceptance. However, nothing other than this License grants you permission to propagate or modify any covered work."
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