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    goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Monday, 12-Aug-2024 20:18:31 JST goatsarah goatsarah

    Saw someone elsewhere assert that Britain is “one of the least corrupt countries in the world”, and couldn’t let that go unchallenged, so here’s what I said:

    Only because of this one weird loophole, which I will explain below:

    For the last decade, the previous government has been awarding public contracts for infrastructure, etc, to what are essentially shell companies run by their mates. These companies then do the bare minimum for as long as possible, which if you drive round the UK, is why you see all those road “improvement” works which do nothing and take forever and never seem to have anyone working. It took two years to replace a roundabout with a set of traffic lights near my apartment, for example. Other examples: large amounts of “PPE equipment” during Covid which turned out to be useless junk.

    Obviously they aren’t actually spending anything but a trivial amount going through the motions, so what happens to the rest of the money, which let’s remember, was raised by taxes.

    Well, it gets donated back to the ruling party as “political donations”, and then if the pretend contractor does a good enough job of this, they get an knighthood, or even a seat in the House of Lords for “services rendered”.

    Now you might think that this sounds corrupt, and you would be right. It sounds deeply corrupt, but apparently it’s not because a lot of the global agencies which work out corruption indices are based in, checks notes, London, and are probably in on the scam, and get to define what “corruption” means, and define it to mean, “not this”.

    Et voila! You have a country with one of the biggest wealth gaps in Europe funnelling vast amounts of public money to populist spaffers in government, all legal, laundered and sanitised.

    The whole of UK society is like this. It’s how it works, and once you see it you either join in, or walk away in disgust.

    In conversation about 10 months ago from thegoatery.dyndns.org permalink
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      Calum McGregor :mastodon: (calmonty@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 12-Aug-2024 22:24:11 JST Calum McGregor :mastodon: Calum McGregor :mastodon:
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      @goatsarah There is a third option: be part of the growing number of Brits that reject this premise and do things differently. We're part of our local community orgs even when that's thankless, we push water uphill starting local businesses that only source from and support local businesses, third-sector organisations and residents, we effect change locally instead of at #Westminster or #Holyrood and as a whole change the setup. Fatalism like this is outdated and just makes all that harder.

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      goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Monday, 12-Aug-2024 22:24:11 JST goatsarah goatsarah
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      • Calum McGregor :mastodon:
      @calmonty best of luck to you. Gave more than a decade of my life to that. Got steamrolled. Difficult to not be cynical about it.
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      Erebus (erebus_amauro@ohai.social)'s status on Monday, 12-Aug-2024 22:27:06 JST Erebus Erebus
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      @goatsarah So its just a "it can't be corruption if we give another name and make it legal" kind of thing. It reminds me somehow what happens in USA with donations to main political parties which in almost any other country would be plainly illegal.

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      goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Monday, 12-Aug-2024 23:08:07 JST goatsarah goatsarah
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      • Calum McGregor :mastodon:
      @calmonty indeed
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      Calum McGregor :mastodon: (calmonty@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 12-Aug-2024 23:08:08 JST Calum McGregor :mastodon: Calum McGregor :mastodon:
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      @goatsarah Fair enough, respect that - better to have tried etc.

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      Amoshias (amoshias@esq.social)'s status on Monday, 12-Aug-2024 23:12:27 JST Amoshias Amoshias
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      @goatsarah America works the same way! There's very little bribery, because the Supreme Court has chosen to define bribery as "handing an official a cartoon bag with a dollar sign on it full of money, and then they immediately carry out an official act."

      Wait five minutes before the official act? Bag doesn't have a dollar sign on it? Not bribery!

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      Jim Heartney (jheartney@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 12-Aug-2024 23:26:25 JST Jim Heartney Jim Heartney
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      @goatsarah Why are they replacing a roundabout with traffic lights? Roundabouts generally are cheaper, safer and more efficient than signalized intersections.

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      goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Monday, 12-Aug-2024 23:26:25 JST goatsarah goatsarah
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      • Jim Heartney
      @jheartney Because it gives them an excuse to spaff public funds into their own bank accounts via their mates’ “companies”.
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      drukac (drukac@historians.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 00:31:30 JST drukac drukac
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      @goatsarah
      And whilst people think Swiss bank accounts are the worst in terms of hiding dirty money, the nebulous network of tax havens based on Crown dependencies and "British" Commonwealth nations is unrivalled.

      Unlike the Germans, Japanese and US Americans, the Brits don't need an orderly, streamlined and legally coherent system. The Brits thrive on a byzantine, global, murky banking prison colony. They are inmates who somehow were entrusted with the keys.

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      clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 00:31:49 JST clacke clacke
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      • Jim Heartney

      @jheartney @goatsarah Key word "generally". The roundabout is better a lot of the time, and many traffic light crossings would benefit from being turned into roundabouts, but it's not a strictly better solution in every single case.

      It depends on the traffic volumes and the space available to build a roundabout that fits the traffic volumes. This could be one of the cases where the roundabout was rationally a mistake.

      Or it could be an irrational fear or annoyance with roundabouts, or the mentioned corruption.

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      goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 00:42:25 JST goatsarah goatsarah
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      • clacke
      • Oli
      • Jim Heartney
      @OliverNoble @clacke @jheartney there’s no useful pedestrian access here. It’s an A road adjacent to a motorway junction.
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      Oli (olivernoble@mastodon.world)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 00:42:26 JST Oli Oli
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      • clacke
      • Jim Heartney

      @clacke @goatsarah @jheartney
      Traffic lights allow for pedestrian phases

      Because roundabouts are so efficient for traffic flow, crossing a road at a busy roundabout is very difficult

      (Not disagreeing that the UK fails to recognise political "donations", " gifts", directorships, and post-politics employment as corruption)

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      Miguel Arroz (arroz@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 01:45:07 JST Miguel Arroz Miguel Arroz
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      @goatsarah Thanks for this. I keep telling people Portugal is much less corrupt that it seems. It’s just what we call corruption is perfectly legal and common practice in many other places.

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      goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 01:45:07 JST goatsarah goatsarah
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      • Miguel Arroz
      @arroz Yeah. I felt sorry for Costa. The thing he resigned over is what the Tories call, "Tuesday".
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      Kit Rhett Aultman (roadriverrail@signs.codes)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 01:52:36 JST Kit Rhett Aultman Kit Rhett Aultman
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      @goatsarah yep. See also energy and trains. Oh, and local post offices. Plus the City Of London enjoys being an autonomous zone. Technically it's not corruption when it happens above board, but the result is the same.

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      goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 02:15:54 JST goatsarah goatsarah
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      • Curioso 🍉 🇺🇦 (jgg)
      @jgg Yes. Avoiding scrutiny of their financial affairs was a very potent motivator for the senior brexiters.
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      Curioso 🍉 🇺🇦 (jgg) (jgg@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 02:15:55 JST Curioso 🍉 🇺🇦 (jgg) Curioso 🍉 🇺🇦 (jgg)
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      @goatsarah

      That puts the Brexit under a new light. EU puts a lot resurces to prevent that kind of thing, at least when european money is invested. I can imagine the people you describe not liking it at all.

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      goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 03:02:03 JST goatsarah goatsarah
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      • maya_b
      @maya_b Motor yachts, please. Sailboats don't cost much more than cars.
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      maya_b (maya_b@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 03:02:04 JST maya_b maya_b
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      @goatsarah

      don't forget the houses for mum&dad, and new sailboats company owners had to pay for

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      OddOpinions5 (failedlyndonlarouchite@mas.to)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 03:09:31 JST OddOpinions5 OddOpinions5
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      @goatsarah

      saw someone assert
      who ? was it some medium size organization that does a lot of work measuring corruption vs your anecdotes ?

      UK GDP is about 2.3 trillion pounds
      UK Gov't spending about ~1.2 trillion pounds

      so if this waste you are talking about is 12 BILLION pounds, that is ONE PERCENT of gov't spending

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      goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 03:09:31 JST goatsarah goatsarah
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      • OddOpinions5

      @failedLyndonLaRouchite So you pluck 1% from ... somewhere, and then call it "waste", rather than what it is, blatant theft from the British people.

      Even if it's as small as you assert, that is 12 billion pounds stolen by these wankers, from ordinary people, for their own enrichment.

      A truly staggering amount of money, and that's after you tried to minimise it.

      Found the Tory.

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      goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 04:21:39 JST goatsarah goatsarah
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      • Luke

      @luke Exactly that! Here in Portugal, things seem corrupt because there's a lot of, "oh, you want this service. My friend works there. Let me have a word and you can jump the queue".

      Which is "corrupt", but "Imma just create a shell company in the British Virgin Islands and you can award it an M25 widening scheme which I won't actually bother delivering, and instead I'll donate 80% of it back to 'charitable causes', as run by your good self, and we'll see what's what. Golf later?" isn't.

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      Luke (luke@social.sdfeu.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 04:21:40 JST Luke Luke
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      @goatsarah Indeed it seems because a police officer won't take £50 to let you off it counts as not corrupt but it is corrupt at the highest levels, not the lowest levels.

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      goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 04:27:12 JST goatsarah goatsarah
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      • OddOpinions5

      @failedLyndonLaRouchite No. Using shell companies to skim billions off of infrastructure projects and donating it back to the people who awarded it isn't "waste". It's blatant, shameless theft.

      And yours is the sort of attitude which allows it to continue, while those responsible then stand up in parliament and rant about "benefits fraud" and "illegal immigrants stealing our money".

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      OddOpinions5 (failedlyndonlarouchite@mas.to)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 04:27:13 JST OddOpinions5 OddOpinions5
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      @goatsarah everything has 1% waste; it is called being human

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      goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 05:17:12 JST goatsarah goatsarah
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      • Grant

      @gsymon That last Prime Minister of Portugal resigned because his chief of staff had been alleged to have a financial interest in the award of a lithium mining contract. This caused the government to collapse.

      Can you seriously imagine a Tory Prime Minister resigning because one of his staff was financially involved with a company being awarded a national contract, let alone it causing fresh elections? The idea that there was even anything wrong with it would be ridiculous to them.

      Yet Portugal is "corrupt" and the UK is not, apparently.

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      Grant (gsymon@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 05:17:13 JST Grant Grant
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      @goatsarah

      There's a reason there's Londongrad.

      UK is probably one of the most corrupt countries in the western world. This came to the fore around brexit. There's so much corruption lingering on of 'jolly fine chaps' doing what 'jolly fine chaps' do, i.e. have a word with a friend, or a friend of a friend and whoopee, more cash. Think Greensill. If it were in e.g. France, Cameron would be in jail. Instead, he's been made a Lord.

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      goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 05:23:55 JST goatsarah goatsarah
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      • maya_b

      @maya_b That is to "sailboats" as the Bugatti Veyron is to "cars".

      Most are more like this: yachtworld.com/yacht/2010-jean…

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      maya_b (maya_b@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 05:23:56 JST maya_b maya_b
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      @goatsarah

      was thinking of the Money Mone used for Lady M
      https://www.autoevolution.com/news/scottish-conservative-baroness-puts-lavish-yacht-for-sale-for-11-million-199579.html

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      goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 05:35:49 JST goatsarah goatsarah
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      • Grant
      @gsymon Paywalled
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      Grant (gsymon@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 05:35:50 JST Grant Grant
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      @goatsarah

      Here's one...

      Despite this... he still became PM and either way, there were zero consequences:

      https://www.ft.com/content/53d32fbc-a1e5-495b-b068-cf7d7a202f78

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      Jim Heartney (jheartney@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 09:59:42 JST Jim Heartney Jim Heartney
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      @goatsarah Roundabouts are generally safer for pedestrians.

      https://www.iihs.org/topics/roundabouts#:~:text=Roundabouts%20generally%20are%20safer%20for,lower%20than%20at%20traditional%20intersections.

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      Omega (omegaprobe@paquita.masto.host)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 09:59:50 JST Omega Omega
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      • Luke

      @luke @goatsarah When poor people do it, it's corruption. When wealthy people do it, it's politics.

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