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   pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 05-Aug-2024 13:56:51 JST pistolero

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   @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis Presumably after that happens, you can understand someone cringing when they hear "the cloud" used like it's a real thing.
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     @cvnt @Hyperhidrosis @mischievoustomato Every time I post this, something bad happens to the server, but *this* time, the server is a cluster in a box *plus* it's a different server. So, let's gamble:
     
     > Serverless microapps for our AI blockchain sustainability.
     
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     @p @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis Serverless microapps for our AI blockchain sustainability.
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     @frogzone @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @cvnt
     
     > when we get to the point where protocols will only accept messages as not spam if they come from datacenter based ip addresses
     
     No, that's not what Google's been doing, but IP addresses are completely independent of "datacenter" or "not datacenter".
     
     > i just see a much less distributed internet getting worse
     
     Do you seriously think that burning down a building full of computers
     
     > datacentars to me appear to be an integral part of the fascism and corporatism im seeing.
     
     This is like blaming garages for vehicular homicides: they are not related. You may have noticed that the people that commit vehicular homicide do so in a car, and most people that have cars also have places to put those cars, but the garages are completely unrelated to the issue.
     
     I'm not even sure how the association could be made between the San Francisco Data Cartel and a building full of server racks or BGP or the internet backbone unless you don't know how those things work.
     
     It is also not fascism. Here: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/ , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriele_D%27Annunzio . Here is Orwell's essay, "What is Fascism?" https://www.orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc . Exactly eighty years ago, before World War 2 was even over, Orwell was already complaining that people throw the term around and have no idea what it means. Or, you know, you could take Trotsky's approach and say "Anything that is not full communism will eventually turn into corporatist Bonapartist fascism if the ComIntern--which I happen to run--isn't put in charge of it immediately" or the careless version of Trotsky, which is "Everything I don't like is fascism." Always borderline-clairvoyant, in 1944 Orwell said that we're not going to get a definition of fascism:
     
     :orwell: "Why, then, cannot we have a clear and generally accepted definition of it? Alas! we shall not get one — not yet, anyway. To say why would take too long, but basically it is because it is impossible to define Fascism satisfactorily without making admissions which neither the Fascists themselves, nor the Conservatives, nor Socialists of any colour, are willing to make. All one can do for the moment is to use the word with a certain amount of circumspection and not, as is usually done, degrade it to the level of a swearword."
     
     Eighty years. There are people that were born after it was written that have died of old age.
     
     > it wouldnt surprise me if they were the first things to get dismantled by conscientious resistors of fascism.
     
     Anyone attempting to resist "fascism" will have to route around any building that my computer is in:
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     @p @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @cvnt yes and no, when we get to the point where protocols will only accept messages as not spam if they come from datacenter based ip addresses its tomato vs tomato. i just see a much less distributed internet getting worse for human folk, and the datacentars to me appear to be an integral part of the fascism and corporatism im seeing. it wouldnt surprise me if they were the first things to get dismantled by conscientious resistors of fascism.

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     > sounds like a case of "no good deed goes unpunished".
     
     I think basic vetting of hardware is reasonable; I think you should not put a computer that catches fire into the datacenter next to other people's computers.
     
     > datacenters are a representation of govt collusion (at best, abuse at worst) tho to be honest, id be happy to see them all go, truth be told.
     
     It is a room full of computers and networking equipment. This is not ever going to go away, even if you run fiber and install backup generators and cooling systems in everyone's house. I had a fan die because the machine was on the floor by the TV, and the fan jammed up with cat/dog/human hair. I can't dedicate a room to have 10% humidity and raised flooring in my house, you know?
     
     > the internet is supposed to be decentralized.
     
     A datacenter doesn't centralize it.
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     > A datacenter doesn't centralize it.
     
     What does do that is Voxility peering agreements.
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     @frogzone @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @cvnt That was the "bring your own box" floor of OVH's datacenter. One of the machines caught fire.
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     @p @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @cvnt sounds like a case of "no good deed goes unpunished". datacenters are a representation of govt collusion (at best, abuse at worst) tho to be honest, id be happy to see them all go, truth be told. the internet is supposed to be decentralized.

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     @frogzone @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @cvnt Probably because those guys didn't let people bring in fire-hazards and plug them in.
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     @p @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @cvnt is that how this one started? what did they try lugging in?

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     @p @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @cvnt can anyone explain why such black serverless data cloudsd are not forming above googl, msoft amazn, fbook or cl0udfalre datacenetrs?

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     @frogzone @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @p
     
     Here's a joke: Root nameservers at home.
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     @cvnt @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @p i thought you were alluding to deanonymization.... a privacy issue. the stuff about i2p (the parallel internet that bounces traffic around the world to help privacy) is a response to what i though was you making a joke about deanonymisation.

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     @cvnt @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @p or host without using the worst offenders? i'm also big on eepsites, residential is fine for those.

     mitra fully supports i2p federation apparently, and this instance i'm on was on i2p for a time. in fact i'd recommend testing it again over i2p in so it can be ready for when others come online, but it all depends on what my admin can handle.

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     My home hosting behind cgnat is only possible due to data centers, what you said makes no sense.
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     @burner @SilverDeth Who said that was all of them?
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     >he didn't save the one with the snake furry
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     @frogzone @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @cvnt
     
     > when govt and big business merge to divide people and enslave ppl, (see ford, standard oil, slve laboutr camps aka concentration camps media weaponised to divide ppl with propaganda)
     
     Ford sympathized with Hitler but I don't think he was a fascist, ideologically; whatever the case. Standard Oil was not "fascism".
     
     > now imagine that the dar is running in the garage and people are being gassed (gaslit) with the datacenters that are being built.
     
     ...If I imagine that datacenters are the Holocaust, then yes, datacenters would be bad.
     
     > yes i use the term fascism quite deliberately.
     
     Incorrectly, per the people that lived through its rise and fall, including the guy that coined the term.
     
     Google owns a datacenter and Google is up to some evil shit and they would be up to evil shit with or without a datacenter. There is nothing wrong with an air conditioner blowing on a room full of racks instead of a thousand air conditioners blowing on a thousand computers in a thousand houses. Call it fascist if you want. Call it a banana.
     
     That is not to say that there is anything wrong with Tor, i2p, mesh networks. I love those things. I would be delighted to discuss those things. So I would personally prefer it if you'd rather talk about those things than about whether datacenters are inherently a fascist construct; they not any more fascist than
     
     "That's not real socialism", "That's not actually anarchy", "That's not actually punk rock". I sat through plenty of that, I read it in the badly Xerox'd zines, I was where you are. I don't expect you to listen because I would not have listened at the time, either, but here is what I have to say in either case.
     
     There's a fixation on the left with words, as if words created reality rather than (imperfectly) reflecting it, so "Is it $x-ist?" becomes the important question rather than "Is it good or bad?" So you get Mussolini saying "Actually, the USSR is not real socialism" in his last interview and ignoring the question of whether people were better off in the USSR or in fascist Italy. A label is declared bad (say, racism) and then they move the definition ("Actually, 'racism' isn't prejudging based on race, it's power plus privilege"), and then some prejudice based on race is excusable (it's no longer "racism" so it's no longer bad). Reducing morality to semantics allows you to excuse evil based on what the evil is *called*. This reduces Hitler's main problem to a branding issue, and the easiest evidence of that is when people that will condemn Adolf Hitler in the strongest terms will make excuses about the brutal repression carried out by Vladimir Lenin, Leon Trotsky, Josef Stalin, and the remainder of the most brutal despotic regime ever to terrorize Russia and half of Eastern Europe.
     
     Portland is declared an Autonomous Zone, no more cops, and then I watch--recorded on video by the perpetrators, who were proud of this--a man get dragged out of his car at a red light by the "security force" (who are fine, because they're not called "cops" because words create reality) yells at him, forces him onto his knees, takes his wife away, and then one of them, with a running start from behind him, dashes at him and kicks him in the face, shattering his jaw. (I don't know if you've been kicked in the face before. I have, and I can say it is unpleasant.) The reality is that the coercive use of force was applied to this man and his wife: they were forced out of their vehicle and robbed and then the man spent a year with his mouth wired shut. I don't care if they were called "cops" or "security", I don't care if they say they were doing it for "democracy" or "fascism" or "communism", I don't care what the words were: words are a means of serializing human thought, and they do not erase human actions. Saying "Actually, your classification for them is wrong" does not change a damn thing, it doesn't put that guy's teeth back in his head. The map is not the territory. I have no urge to argue about the map. I'd rather eliminate evil things than argue about which name to assign an evil thing, and the tail is wagging the term you call something determines whether or not it is evil.
     
     What you are describing is not fascism, and is not evil: it is a business, employing people that keep the pipes running and keep electricity flowing into my computer and they keep my computer cool so that I can communicate with you on this network. Sometimes they are slow if something happens on the weekend, but 24 hours a day, I can call them, file a ticket, or go there in person. When the server was flaky and periodically locked up, they would reboot it for me at 3 a.m. on a Sunday. They pay for their connection to the backbone, and the building, they pay to maintain their cooling systems, and I pay them to put my machine there, because it is impractical to get a pipe to the backbone at my house: the nature of routing and the nature of the equipment means that it requires fewer resources to put all of the machines physically near each other. I have nothing bad to say about their business or about the concept of a datacenter in general: I have been in plenty of them, and they are full of computers. At my house, I have a rack, and I have put computers on it, I have capacity for some of them to be attached to a UPS, when it gets too hot I can use one fan to cool all of them, they are all plugged into the same net connection.
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     @p @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @cvnt

     one can be fascist and hurt people using computers, a kick to head by a thousand cuts, is still a kick to the head.

     i cant comment about your story about an attacked person, but i would ask who or what created that so called 'autonomous zone'....that situation? i found something very artificial/ contrived/ stage-managed about that "movement" at the time, i could see that there were foundational aspects of it that were not genuine, nor grassroots, but my findings were deemed too conspiratorial at the time and i was dismissed.

     "business"....do you think the muskrat is a businessman, or a fascist backed by darpa....from my understanding ford was AS prevaricating a fascist as muskrat is today, aiding the war effort on both sides so as to ensure their assets were safe no matter which side won. my understanding is the west helped fund hitlers rise to power. the bank of england itself coutesy of a sit montagu norman lent the nazis billions that it didn't expect germany to repay for "nazism", just because big businesses investors do this that doesnt make it excusable. i dont like the word 'evil' but profiteering from wars is sickeningly disgusting at best. the stockmarket itself is a weapon today, and behind the worst of it.... #blackrock, yet another datacenter. we have laws against people conspiring to hurt people, but none against computers and computing power algorithmically driven to cause harm. there is evidence that that is what they are DESIGNED to do (see fbook=emotional abuse and timesinking, cloudflre/amazn/googl/msoft/appl/fbook=mass surveillance,gatekeeping,forced labor (many captchas are forced, value-adding labor also requiring scripts that consume a lot of energy is forced labor),antitrust,privacy violations(facial recognition). blackrock=market manipulation,derascination,war profiteering)? seems weird that they can get away with it. they repeatedly do because govt is captured by these largest corporations (aka they are fascist).

     Today's datacenters are where fascism is conducted, signed and delivered, much like the railroads of 150 years ago.

     it may not be a policy of googl, msoft, appl, to blacklist email servers at home, but the evidence out there tells the story.

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     @p @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @cvnt when govt and big business merge to divide people and enslave ppl, (see ford, standard oil, slve laboutr camps aka concentration camps media weaponised to divide ppl with propaganda) now imagine that the dar is running in the garage and people are being gassed (gaslit) with the datacenters that are being built.

     yes i use the term fascism quite deliberately.

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     @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @p @cvnt i would say there is a broad colonial movement to take away general computing, including #encryption, from us and to put it in the hands of those operating datacenters (aka govt) so as to make it impossible to use computers to challenge the orthodoxy, a govt that has melded with the megacorporations (aka fascism, totalitarianism of the corporate state etc).

     all the evidence points in that direction.... the motive? what year was cloudflare formed? what was happening around that time? a flourishing of web 2.0? bitcoin and its marketplaces?

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     @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @p @cvnt would a corporate fascist state dictate to ppl who the candidates will be.... in the last 3 elections genuine candidates have been cheated out of the primaries by the corporate (aka fascist) state.... when theyre called to respond to evidence of manipulation in the primaries they literally say the parties have a "right" to manipulate the primaries process. if only the oligarchs, with their complicit media, including social media, and war profiteers get to decide who to elevate as president, then we are in a fascist state.

     forgive me but i do think datacenters are a contruct of today's fascist state.

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     @0 @Hyperhidrosis @besserwisser @cvnt @frogzone @mischievoustomato I am willing to live in Alaska.
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     @besserwisser @Hyperhidrosis @cvnt @frogzone @mischievoustomato I'd love one, but it turns out that space gets more expensive the closer you get to the big pipes.
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     @p @cvnt @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @besserwisser @frogzone Unless you're willing to live in Alaska.
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     @p @cvnt @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @frogzone I do kinda want my own datacenter. But that's unlikely to happen in a world where it's unlikely I can afford a house.