@frogzone @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @cvnt

> when govt and big business merge to divide people and enslave ppl, (see ford, standard oil, slve laboutr camps aka concentration camps media weaponised to divide ppl with propaganda)

Ford sympathized with Hitler but I don't think he was a fascist, ideologically; whatever the case. Standard Oil was not "fascism".

> now imagine that the dar is running in the garage and people are being gassed (gaslit) with the datacenters that are being built.

...If I imagine that datacenters are the Holocaust, then yes, datacenters would be bad.

> yes i use the term fascism quite deliberately.

Incorrectly, per the people that lived through its rise and fall, including the guy that coined the term.

Google owns a datacenter and Google is up to some evil shit and they would be up to evil shit with or without a datacenter. There is nothing wrong with an air conditioner blowing on a room full of racks instead of a thousand air conditioners blowing on a thousand computers in a thousand houses. Call it fascist if you want. Call it a banana.

That is not to say that there is anything wrong with Tor, i2p, mesh networks. I love those things. I would be delighted to discuss those things. So I would personally prefer it if you'd rather talk about those things than about whether datacenters are inherently a fascist construct; they not any more fascist than

"That's not real socialism", "That's not actually anarchy", "That's not actually punk rock". I sat through plenty of that, I read it in the badly Xerox'd zines, I was where you are. I don't expect you to listen because I would not have listened at the time, either, but here is what I have to say in either case.

There's a fixation on the left with words, as if words created reality rather than (imperfectly) reflecting it, so "Is it $x-ist?" becomes the important question rather than "Is it good or bad?" So you get Mussolini saying "Actually, the USSR is not real socialism" in his last interview and ignoring the question of whether people were better off in the USSR or in fascist Italy. A label is declared bad (say, racism) and then they move the definition ("Actually, 'racism' isn't prejudging based on race, it's power plus privilege"), and then some prejudice based on race is excusable (it's no longer "racism" so it's no longer bad). Reducing morality to semantics allows you to excuse evil based on what the evil is *called*. This reduces Hitler's main problem to a branding issue, and the easiest evidence of that is when people that will condemn Adolf Hitler in the strongest terms will make excuses about the brutal repression carried out by Vladimir Lenin, Leon Trotsky, Josef Stalin, and the remainder of the most brutal despotic regime ever to terrorize Russia and half of Eastern Europe.

Portland is declared an Autonomous Zone, no more cops, and then I watch--recorded on video by the perpetrators, who were proud of this--a man get dragged out of his car at a red light by the "security force" (who are fine, because they're not called "cops" because words create reality) yells at him, forces him onto his knees, takes his wife away, and then one of them, with a running start from behind him, dashes at him and kicks him in the face, shattering his jaw. (I don't know if you've been kicked in the face before. I have, and I can say it is unpleasant.) The reality is that the coercive use of force was applied to this man and his wife: they were forced out of their vehicle and robbed and then the man spent a year with his mouth wired shut. I don't care if they were called "cops" or "security", I don't care if they say they were doing it for "democracy" or "fascism" or "communism", I don't care what the words were: words are a means of serializing human thought, and they do not erase human actions. Saying "Actually, your classification for them is wrong" does not change a damn thing, it doesn't put that guy's teeth back in his head. The map is not the territory. I have no urge to argue about the map. I'd rather eliminate evil things than argue about which name to assign an evil thing, and the tail is wagging the term you call something determines whether or not it is evil.

What you are describing is not fascism, and is not evil: it is a business, employing people that keep the pipes running and keep electricity flowing into my computer and they keep my computer cool so that I can communicate with you on this network. Sometimes they are slow if something happens on the weekend, but 24 hours a day, I can call them, file a ticket, or go there in person. When the server was flaky and periodically locked up, they would reboot it for me at 3 a.m. on a Sunday. They pay for their connection to the backbone, and the building, they pay to maintain their cooling systems, and I pay them to put my machine there, because it is impractical to get a pipe to the backbone at my house: the nature of routing and the nature of the equipment means that it requires fewer resources to put all of the machines physically near each other. I have nothing bad to say about their business or about the concept of a datacenter in general: I have been in plenty of them, and they are full of computers. At my house, I have a rack, and I have put computers on it, I have capacity for some of them to be attached to a UPS, when it gets too hot I can use one fan to cool all of them, they are all plugged into the same net connection.
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