Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
@jdp23 +1 on all that.
So the question is do we put in the effort to clarify/define the term "Fediverse" to mean all that, or do we find a new term to refer to that.
I'm in the former camp, but can be convinced. My main point is: we have to be able to refer to that particular slice of the broader AcivityPub-speaking network. And then we need to defend that term, because there definitely will be attempts to dilute it into meaniglessness.
Fifi Lamoura
@rysiek @jwildeboer @smallcircles @jdp23 @laurenshof @FediThing The wikipedia explainer seems about right to me. This is what the Fediverse is. I think the problems start when people think only their own personal social network and experience of the Fediverse IS the Fediverse (ye Olde mistaking of subjectivity for objectivity). Social media by its very nature and design is inherently subjective (much like our social experiences in the physical world but even more so) because we get to choose who we see/connect with or block. The subjectivity is inbuilt but people keep trying to claim their subjectivity is objectivity. We all need to get better at dealing with multiplicity. Didn't anyone learn anything from Everything Everywhere All At Once? ;) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
@jwildeboer yeah, and it doesn't help that I don't believe we have a serviceable definition of what "Fediverse" is.
Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:
@rysiek @smallcircles @jdp23 @fifilamoura @laurenshof @FediThing Also note that Fedi is a quite common Italian surname and there are many companies called Fedi out there. IMHO there's nothing wrong with the term Fediverse. There is a problem with the Venn diagram of Fediverse, ActivityPub, Mastodon and other players ...
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
@smallcircles that's just going to be super confusing to everyone, in no small part due to a lot of stuff out there that establishes that "fedi is short for fediverse".
smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)
@rysiek @jdp23 @fifilamoura @laurenshof @FediThing
In other words "Fedi is part of the Fediverse" but not vice versa.
smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)
@rysiek @jdp23 @fifilamoura @laurenshof @FediThing
I don't have preferences wrt names, but it will be harder to defend a name with a broad adoption and where the dilution is already well underway.
Was pondering an idea to refer to the "affectionate name" we give, namely "Fedi". I capitalized it here as a name, and it can be hashtagged #Fedi as well in specific reference to that concept we wanna define.
People say Fediverse has "diverse" in it. Fedi can be short for "fediverse is diverse".
Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
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Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
I am now extremely tempted to run a public poll on the question of: "in your opinion is this service part of the Fediverse?"
And the list:
- Gab
- T**** Social
- Threads
- Poast
I'm sure it would not blow up in anybody's faces, and the conversation would be civil and reasoned!
:blobcatsweat:
@fifilamoura @jwildeboer @smallcircles @jdp23 @laurenshof @FediThing
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
@fifilamoura I really did not enjoy that film. :blobcatsweats:
I think that definition made sense before Threads started federating. Now it makes much less sense, to me at least.
Are you comfortable with saying "Threads is part of the Fediverse"?
It's an honest question. Not trying to trick you into anything. Trying to understand how the term is being used.
GunChleoc
@rysiek @atomicpoet @jdp23 @fifilamoura @laurenshof @FediThing @smallcircles @jwildeboer We could think of it as continents and islands that have travel routes between them - or not. So, Gab et al are part of the whole thing, but nobody in our corner of the world wants to talk to them. It is not and never will be monolithic.
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
@atomicpoet yeah, nobody said it's going to be easy.
But at least in this tooter's opinion, boiling it down to a protocol or technical interoperability does not cut it.
@jdp23 @fifilamoura @laurenshof @FediThing @smallcircles @jwildeboer
atomicpoet
@rysiek @fifilamoura @jwildeboer @smallcircles @jdp23 @laurenshof @FediThing But then we get into further problems. What about servers run by tankies? Or servers run by anarcho-capitalists? Or anti-Black servers that present themselves as safe spaces for trans people that tend to gaslight those who call them out on their shit?
What exactly is the Fediverse? Is it always positive, never negative? Is it about ideological purity? If you criticize the Fediverse, are you part of it?
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