Conversation

Notices

Embed this notice
Jay Baker (mediaactivist@todon.eu)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 07:36:15 JST Jay Baker

Will Aaron Bushnell’s Death Trigger Anarchism Witch Hunt? https://theintercept.com/2024/03/07/aaron-bushnell-fbi-anarchism-extremist/ #AaronBushnell #anarchism
In conversation about a year ago from todon.eu permalink
Attachments
1. Domain not in remote thumbnail source whitelist: theintercept.com
  
  Will Aaron Bushnell’s Death Trigger Anarchism Witch Hunt?
  
  from Ken Klippenstein
  
  Sen. Tom Cotton demands the Pentagon root out leftist extremism.
- Embed this notice
  Jay Baker (mediaactivist@todon.eu)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 07:42:14 JST Jay Baker
  in reply to
  
  "An internal FBI threat advisory obtained by The Intercept defines Anarchist Violent Extremists as individuals 'who consider capitalism and centralized government to be unnecessary and oppressive,' and 'oppose economic globalization; political, economic, and social hierarchies based on class, religion, race, gender, or private ownership of capital; and external forms of authority represented by centralized government, the military, and law enforcement.'" You know what? I can barely believe I'm saying this but - wow - credit to the FBI for putting anarchism in such simple terms as to make its appeal obvious. This must help provoke so many more people into turning towards anarchism that it's basically free publicity. Nice! #anarchism #anarchist
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
  
  Aral Balkan repeated this.
- Embed this notice
  Jay Baker (mediaactivist@todon.eu)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 07:54:00 JST Jay Baker
  in reply to
  - drhoopoe
  @drhoopoe Good point, I was wondering the same thing!
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  drhoopoe (drhoopoe@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 07:54:01 JST drhoopoe
  in reply to
  
  @MediaActivist That's a solid definition of anarchism, but where does the "violent extemist" part come in?
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  Jay Baker (mediaactivist@todon.eu)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 08:19:27 JST Jay Baker
  in reply to
  
  "Anarchists are simply people who believe human beings are capable of behaving in a reasonable fashion without having to be forced to. It is really a very simple notion," as David Graeber explained so well. "If there’s a line to get on a crowded bus, do you wait your turn and refrain from elbowing your way past others even in the absence of police? ...Do you believe that most politicians are selfish, egotistical swine who don’t really care about the public interest? Do you think we live in an economic system which is stupid and unfair?" https://davidgraeber.org/articles/are-you-an-anarchist-the-answer-maysurprise-you/ #anarchism #DavidGraeber
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
  Attachments
  1. Domain not in remote thumbnail source whitelist: davidgraeber.org
    
    Are You An Anarchist? The Answer May Surprise You!
    
    from IT Support
- Embed this notice
  Green Roc Thoughts (greenroc@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 08:27:18 JST Green Roc Thoughts
  in reply to
  
  @MediaActivist So... I scare people by passively existing with my opinions.
  I'll just stay in my corner keeping out of sight as I wish not to be a bother to anyone, while being strongly against being a sheep for hire.
  :tiredcat:
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  Jay Baker (mediaactivist@todon.eu)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 08:27:18 JST Jay Baker
  in reply to
  - Green Roc Thoughts
  @GreenRoc ikr?! How insecure are the followers of capitalism to feel so threatened by such an ideology simply because it challenges the very concept of power!
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  Jay Baker (mediaactivist@todon.eu)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 08:39:02 JST Jay Baker
  in reply to
  - ophiocephalic 🐍
  - Green Roc Thoughts
  @ophiocephalic @GreenRoc Absolutely! To paraphrase Graeber, anarchists are great at organising, and you only really need armed forces and police if you're really bad at organising society.
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  ophiocephalic 🐍 (ophiocephalic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 08:39:03 JST ophiocephalic 🐍
  in reply to
  - Green Roc Thoughts
  @MediaActivist @GreenRoc
  In a system based on fear and coercion, nothing is more threatening than the assertion we can live without either
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  Jay Baker (mediaactivist@todon.eu)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 08:44:26 JST Jay Baker
  in reply to
  - ophiocephalic 🐍
  - Green Roc Thoughts
  @ophiocephalic @GreenRoc Absolutely! It's in their origin story: protectors of capital and all that...
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  ophiocephalic 🐍 (ophiocephalic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 08:44:28 JST ophiocephalic 🐍
  in reply to
  - Green Roc Thoughts
  @MediaActivist @GreenRoc
  Yes a great point - Graeber noted that cops are just "armed bureaucrats"
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  Jay Baker (mediaactivist@todon.eu)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 08:49:00 JST Jay Baker
  in reply to
  - ophiocephalic 🐍
  - Green Roc Thoughts
  @ophiocephalic @GreenRoc Well said!
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  ophiocephalic 🐍 (ophiocephalic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 08:49:01 JST ophiocephalic 🐍
  in reply to
  - Green Roc Thoughts
  @MediaActivist @GreenRoc
  Oh yeah. I think that's why it's essential to understand abolition as a revolutionary project rather than a reformist one. The state can't exist without its cops, and will never relinquish them voluntarily
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  Jay Baker (mediaactivist@todon.eu)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 20:16:50 JST Jay Baker
  in reply to
  - Kyle Memoir 🍉
  @f800gecko Direct democracy, mutual aid, restorative justice, conflict resolution, federated systems - and just lots of responses above by people replying to this post to offer food for thought. We have to remember, against all odds, anarchists are absolutely remarkable organisers - after all, to paraphrase David Graeber again, you only need things like police and standing armies if you're really, really bad at organising society.
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  Kyle Memoir 🍉 (f800gecko@mastodon.online)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 20:16:51 JST Kyle Memoir 🍉
  in reply to
  
  @MediaActivist
  Lots of reasons not to like all that stuff, but how would anarchists run things?
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  Jay Baker (mediaactivist@todon.eu)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 20:50:14 JST Jay Baker
  in reply to
  - Kyle Memoir 🍉
  @f800gecko Not at all, I used to wonder the same things until anyone bothered to actually explain it all in simple terms. I find Carne Ross's documentary, The Accidental Anarchist, was very useful at explaining anarchism and offering tangible examples, locally and globally: https://kolektiva.media/w/pKgGZtPdpr8MBeMxNTQjGJ
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
  Attachments
  1. Domain not in remote thumbnail source whitelist: kolektiva.media
    
    Accidental Anarchist (2017)
    
    from Documentary Channel
    
    Disillusioned by the systematic corruption of power after the Iraq War, ex-diplomat Carne Ross examines anarchism as an alternative solution to democracy. Anarchism offers a solution to the brutali...
- Embed this notice
  Kyle Memoir 🍉 (f800gecko@mastodon.online)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 20:50:15 JST Kyle Memoir 🍉
  in reply to
  
  @MediaActivist
  Where in the world might this system be working today so we could have a look?
  Not trying to be difficult here, but I'm always wondering how it works when no one is really in charge of anything. Like under what 'authority' if I may use that word, is direct democracy managed? Elders? Everyone? A select trusted committee?
  I really don't get how anarchy remains organized (is it ever?), nevermind whether I might think it's a good or not-so-good thing in the end.
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  Jay Baker (mediaactivist@todon.eu)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 23:06:26 JST Jay Baker
  in reply to
  - National Meme Board of Alberta 🇨🇦 🇺🇦 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️
  @NMBA Remarkable that people still cherry-pick from animal behaviour and use "the law of nature" and "survival of the fittest" to justify the Social Darwinism of capitalism.
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  National Meme Board of Alberta 🇨🇦 🇺🇦 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️ (nmba@mstdn.ca)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 23:06:27 JST National Meme Board of Alberta 🇨🇦 🇺🇦 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️
  in reply to
  
  @MediaActivist
  Arhiesim is acting morally without needing any religious dictates. Anarchy is lawlessness because there’s no organized leader for the herd. Even cows have a lead cow FFS.
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  Jay Baker (mediaactivist@todon.eu)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 23:08:55 JST Jay Baker
  in reply to
  - Dallas (Join Something IRL)
  @1dalm The FBI has a greater grasp of what anarchism is than you do. Which is pretty embarrassing.
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  Dallas (Join Something IRL) (1dalm@deacon.social)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 23:08:56 JST Dallas (Join Something IRL)
  in reply to
  
  @MediaActivist
  I believe that *some* people are perfectly capable of behaving in a reasonable fashion without having to be forced to.
  But you would have to be an absolute moron to think that *all* people can. Or even *most* people.
  And, I believe a certain percentage of people are not only unable to do so, but are also complete sociopaths and will absolutely take advantage of any and all opportunities to take advantage of people and take advantage of loose rules to in order to hurt people.
  Which is why we need strong rules. The rules are NOT there for the people that don't need them.
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  Dallas (Join Something IRL) (1dalm@deacon.social)'s status on Friday, 08-Mar-2024 23:08:56 JST Dallas (Join Something IRL)
  in reply to
  
  @MediaActivist
  You know what a modern anarchist state looks like? It looks like Putin's Russia and it looks like Trump's America where there are no rules to control those people.
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  Jay Baker (mediaactivist@todon.eu)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 20:42:13 JST Jay Baker
  in reply to
  @maggiejk @econads @ophiocephalic @GreenRoc I think the principle of "having someone to deal with idiots" is what got us into this mess, though, isn't it? We have a society where kids go to school to learn from teachers how to take orders and regurgitate information and prepare for the workplace, where people consume television and "news" media owned by concentrations of corporate or state power, and where a pandemic then hit and hardly anyone in the population knew how to behave unless the Rishi Sunaks of the world told them how to. It's the Milgram Experiment, on a mass scale.
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  Maggie Maybe (maggiejk@zeroes.ca)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 20:42:14 JST Maggie Maybe
  in reply to
  @econads @ophiocephalic @GreenRoc @MediaActivist this is the one aspect that keeps me from calling myself an anarchist, I don’t think I can classify myself as that because I do believe we need someone to deal with the idiots. Maybe before Covid I could have believed in some utopia where people care about other people and the cooperate, but we all know better.
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  econads (econads@chaos.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 20:42:16 JST econads
  in reply to
  - ophiocephalic 🐍
  - Green Roc Thoughts
  @ophiocephalic @GreenRoc @MediaActivist
  Yeah you can't arrange anything without consensus of at least the majority of people, but you're always going to have to deal with some idiots. I think anarchism allows for that, iirc?
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  ophiocephalic 🐍 (ophiocephalic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 20:42:17 JST ophiocephalic 🐍
  in reply to
  - Green Roc Thoughts
  - econads
  @econads
  Stop thinking enforcement, start thinking consensus
  @GreenRoc @MediaActivist
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  econads (econads@chaos.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 20:42:18 JST econads
  in reply to
  - ophiocephalic 🐍
  - Green Roc Thoughts
  @ophiocephalic @GreenRoc @MediaActivist
  but what's enforcing that? People aren't naturally equal. Some people are stronger, some are more charismatic, some are more principled, some are braver..
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  ophiocephalic 🐍 (ophiocephalic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 20:42:19 JST ophiocephalic 🐍
  in reply to
  - Green Roc Thoughts
  @GreenRoc @MediaActivist
  And if everyone gets the same degree of it, we're all equal and can't dominate one another
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  Green Roc Thoughts (greenroc@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 20:42:20 JST Green Roc Thoughts
  in reply to
  - ophiocephalic 🐍
  @MediaActivist @ophiocephalic The only power I want is for my own autonomy.
  
  In conversation about a year ago permalink

Public

Conversation

Notices

Feeds