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   ??? 妛彁 :xf_nyxsigil: :xf_nyxdisapproving: (nyx@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2024 23:19:43 JST ??? 妛彁 :xf_nyxsigil: :xf_nyxdisapproving:

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   @dushman @SuperDicq people who like GNUshit basically just have consoomer brand loyalty, it's pretty obvious that their software is bad and that FOSS is an irrelevant ideology that megacorps figured out how to subvert years ago. but no vro just run linux-libre run fucking trisquel lol the flagship FOSS kernel has binary blobs in it but trust me vro year of the Hurd desktop soon
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2024 23:19:42 JST SuperDicq

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     @nyx@social.xenofem.me @dushman@den.raccoon.quest Nobody unironically thinks Hurd will replace Linux.
     
     It's a niche project and it's very educational I think. If you wanna learn about low level programming I recommend you to fix some low hanging fruit on Hurd maybe as all the low hanging fruit on Linux has been long gone.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2024 23:38:23 JST SuperDicq

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     @nyx@social.xenofem.me @dushman@den.raccoon.quest Those people are wrong and have a reading comprehension.
     
     The official website of the Hurd project is quite honest about the project.
     It may not be ready for production use, as there are still some bugs and missing features.And it recommends GNU/Hurd only for "non-critical application usage".

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     ??? 妛彁 :xf_nyxsigil: :xf_nyxdisapproving: (nyx@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2024 23:38:24 JST ??? 妛彁 :xf_nyxsigil: :xf_nyxdisapproving:

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     @SuperDicq @dushman I'm not saying it's a widely held belief but I have encountered internet FOSS schizos who believe this and it's not all that different from the general attitude stallmanists have
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2024 03:50:48 JST SuperDicq

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     @elementals@social.xenofem.me @nyx@social.xenofem.me @dushman@den.raccoon.quest I'm glad you tagged this as bait because I'm so mad at this entire take.

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     elementals (elementals@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2024 03:50:49 JST elementals

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     @nyx @dushman @SuperDicq personally i don't really like GNU/bloatshit due to the bloatshit, but
     
     i think GNOME is excellent. love how it generally avoids being bloatshit through constant reinvention. also it looks good and is snappy af on my laptop
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2024 03:51:58 JST SuperDicq

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     @elementals@social.xenofem.me @nyx@social.xenofem.me @dushman@den.raccoon.quest GNOME isn't even a GNU project.

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     elementals (elementals@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2024 03:51:59 JST elementals

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     @SuperDicq @nyx @dushman bait thought it is, i can tell you it's not insincere
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2024 03:55:05 JST SuperDicq

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     @elementals@social.xenofem.me @nyx@social.xenofem.me @dushman@den.raccoon.quest It is a former GNU project, they split off from GNU around 2010~ or so, like during the initial release of GNOME 3.
     
     GNOME 2 was still a GNU project and GNOME 2 was actually good.

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     elementals (elementals@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2024 03:55:06 JST elementals

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     @SuperDicq @nyx @dushman i thought it was at least adjacent to gnu
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2024 03:57:06 JST SuperDicq

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     @elementals@social.xenofem.me @nyx@social.xenofem.me @dushman@den.raccoon.quest And yes they were officially removed from GNU in 2021. During 2010 to 2021 they were basically the free software equivalent of Taiwan.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2024 04:00:33 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @nyx @dushman @SuperDicq Pretty sure the linux kernel actually doesn't have blobs but only software to support blobs (which are nicely separated in linux-firmware).
     Like GNU likely hates the shit out of LVFS/fwupd but damn, you can finally update the bios and USB peripherals without weird workarounds, some of them involved booting up fucking windows. (And it also means that creating libre alternatives is easier as the infra is libre, you need to take steps)
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2024 04:05:05 JST SuperDicq

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     @elementals@social.xenofem.me It just worked. It was minimal enough but still had all the features you'd expect a full DE to have. There was no tablet/touchscreen shit. Very customizable, unlike modern GNOME. It had an actual taskbar without installing addons.
     
     GNOME 2 is the reason why MATE (which design is entirely based on it) is still a very popular choice.

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     elementals (elementals@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2024 04:05:06 JST elementals

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     @SuperDicq what do you like so much about gnome two anyway
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2024 04:06:42 JST SuperDicq

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     @elementals@social.xenofem.me I do know GNOME 3 and 40+ have gotten much better over the years, but GNOME 3 during its initial launch was a complete and utter disaster.
     
     GNOME 3's initial launch made me hate GNOME so much I became a KDE user still until today.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2024 04:36:28 JST SuperDicq

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     @elementals@social.xenofem.me There's a big difference between customization of tiling WM bullshit vs customization of desktop environments.
     
     Customizing a tiling WM usually involves writing scripts and editing confusing config files.
     
     Good customization done on a desktop environments means you get to customize it using a GUI. Think of all the settings you find on KDE or XFCE. Like window behavior, panels, docks, widgets, etc.
     
     I consider KDE and XFCE desktop customization done right, something that current GNOME is very lacking in with their more "one size fits all" approach.

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     elementals (elementals@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2024 04:36:29 JST elementals

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     @SuperDicq yeah having not used gnome three I don't have any of that context but having switched to gnome 40 after years of slowly losing my marbles on tiling WM bullshit it impressed me a lot with how usable it is, in particular with how little customizable it is
     
     software customization is just a distraction imo. why spend 4 hours getting it "just right" when i can install something that already works and won't tempt me into fiddling with it? i don't get the appeal. also good god the maintainability issues
     
     i'll never understand the fetish some ppl have for taskbars. just a waste of space 97% of the time (and that's a conservative estimate)
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2024 21:42:14 JST 翠星石

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     @lanodan >Pretty sure the linux kernel actually doesn't have blobs but only software to support blobs (which are nicely separated in linux-firmware).
     You can't help but spread proprietary misinformation can you?
     
     Although efforts have been put until moving massive derivative works into "linux-firmware", updating such software in lockstep and distributing such in parallel, Linux still contains many pieces of proprietary software disguised as arrays of numbers.
     
     As a result, the only versions of Linux I'm confident that aren't proprietary are GNU Linux-libre and Debian's patched version (but it wouldn't surprise me at this point if Debian reverted their proprietary removal patches).
     
     Even if the Linux project was to move all proprietary software into "linux-firmware" and make it a rule that such isn't allowed directly in tree, Linux still wouldn't respect freedom, as by default it loves recommending proprietary software, even when hardware is perfectly functional without it.
     
     >but damn, you can finally update the bios and USB peripherals without weird workarounds
     Updating my BIOS is a simple flashrom -p internal command - how exactly is questionable software that downloads questionable proprietary software over the internet any good comparably?
     
     Damn, what kind of usb devices are you using to be regularly updating proprietary software on them?
     
     > it also means that creating libre alternatives is easier as the infra is libre, you need to take steps)
     Well there it is, how proprietary software is being installed without informing the user as to what's actually being installed is a good thing actually, as such will technically make it more convenient to implement mere alternatives.
     
     Unfortunately I've never heard of a case where such proprietary distros have added proprietary software with "convenient" install methods and have ever ended up taking it out in favor of a free implementation (it seems to be only ever taken out when support for such hardware is dropped).
     
     To be frank, if you have the skills and drive to eliminate proprietary malware with a free replacement, you won't be phased with having to manually source and install it for reverse engineering purposes - that's the easiest part actually.